TOT...Question of The Past, Imagination, or False Advertising?

[Princess Ash]

On TOT, they ALWAYS advertise it as a standing-up ride, as though you are really on an elevator and then fall. The first few trip when I went on it, it had the lap bar. The last few times it has had the seatbelt (which TOTALLY decreases the thrill, but it's still one of my favorites). Can anyone tell me if this ride was actually built to have people standing in it, and then it was just taken out? Or if we are just supposed to use our imagination? Or if we should be annoyed by the false advertising of standing up?

[JulielovesDisney]

I think it's just a case of false advertising. Because in real life, you do stand in an elevator. But if we did stand in the elevator, we'd be flying up to the ceiling and cracking our heads open. It would be cool if they found a way for passengers to stand on the ride, it'd be more like an elevator then.

I wish I could've gone on the ride when it was the lap bars. I was too young (and too scared :blush: ) to ride then. By the time I worked up enough courage to ride it (its now my favorite ride, along with RnRC!!), it had the seat belts. But I'm sure you could make the belt a little looser if you wanted to increase the thrill! (Just make sure you're not in the middle seat in the back, where the CMs could see that!!)

[Sparx]

I think it's just a case of false advertising. Because in real life, you do stand in an elevator. But if we did stand in the elevator, we'd be flying up to the ceiling and cracking our heads open. It would be cool if they found a way for passengers to stand on the ride, it'd be more like an elevator then.

I wish I could've gone on the ride when it was the lap bars. I was too young (and too scared :blush: ) to ride then. By the time I worked up enough courage to ride it (its now my favorite ride, along with RnRC!!), it had the seat belts. But I'm sure you could make the belt a little looser if you wanted to increase the thrill! (Just make sure you're not in the middle seat in the back, where the CMs could see that!!)
I've been on it with lapbars and seat belts. and I've been on a "test" fall. The first one of the day and I was on it BY MY SELF. no one else got on. I got pulled out of line for the first run. it was so cool. but back to what I was saying.

If they put something on teh floor, like the things on skies that keep your shoe on the ski or boot I guess I should say, and you could stand in it, MAYBE then you'd be able to stand, but with the forces that are being played on your body, simply standing would be impossible.

[StitchfansJr]

I never seen it when ppl are standing up. If everyone was standing up this would be me -------> :scared1: and I would defienely :faint:

[Disneymusicgirl]

Yup, that would be false advertising. I went on it soon after it first opened, when I was seven or eight years old. I was terrified to go on it because I thought we'd be standing up, but my dad convinced me to go on it. I loved it, although it looks otherwise in the pictures. :p Plus, there was no wait! I wish I could say the same for the ride nowadays, haha.

Anyway, when it first opened, it was lap bars.......not to mention that was also back in the day when the ride went all the way up, and then dropped you 13 stories ALL the way down. TWICE. I don't mind the random stuff they do now, cuz it keeps it interesting, but I do miss dropping the full 13 stories sometimes. And i miss the lapbars, but the seatbelts don't take away too much, you still get to feel pretty weightless.

You know what I think is stupid though? The chicken exit on that ride is located right before you go on. And guess what it is? An elevator. A regular standing elevator that takes you down a floor into the giftshop. But I have seen so many children screaming because they've seen the commercials on TV and think that they're going on the actual ride. Poor kids. :sad2: They should really get some stairs.

[jenbabe13]

i cant remember what we had (seatbelts or lap bar things) but it was fun lol. I wish we cud stand in it. it wud be a lot more fun but i wudnt wanna die lol. Cuz yeah like the person above said you wud like fly to the ceiling and die prolly so yeah. that wudnt be good. and yeah i think its false advertising.

[BandGeek911]

Yup, false advertising. But maybe they just want to scare you ;) I went on it with both seat belts and the lap bars. I like to loosen my seatbel a bit tho!

[jenbabe13]

wouldnt that suck if the seat belt like snapped and you like flew up and like die? ahh that wud seriously suck...

not to switch teh subject or anything but we live next to a themepark named valleyfair and thhey have "power tower" which is kinda like tower of terror and i was thinking there really cool rollercoaster Wildthing just broke so it wud suck if power tower broke and i was thinking of ways how it mite break and it like goes all the way to the top, drops half way, goes up a lil more and then drops etc..and the breaks cud not work and drop all the way really fast...and then after i thought about it i decided i shudnt think of anymore cuz that may happend and then well yeah that wud be very bad and i kinda forgot wher i was going with this..so yeahhh ill stop now lol srry

[Loves Disney]

I doubt that if you were standing, you'd fly to the ceiling. Because of gravity and such, that really isn't possible. You would probably feel yourself lift a little bit, but you would follow the elevator down. Everyone falls.

Standing would so decrease the "thrill", the "belly feeling" and whatever else you'd like to call it lol. When your body is in line with itself, the thrill becomes less. That is why in some cases, you feel less of a "belly feeling" with your arms in the air than you would if you were to keep your arms in front of you.

For example: In Splash Mounatin, if you keep your hands gripped tightly to the bar, the feeling would be more as opposed to putting your hands up over your head.

I think it is actually a good thing that we are sitting rather than standing, the thrill is so much better!

I don't believe ToT was ever meant to be a standing ride. I think purpose of this advertisment is to show that you are put into that same situation as the "party-goers" were in. In other words, I think they are trying to kill two birds with one stone; to show you that you are in an elevator falling 13 stories (that can be argued now that they changed the sequence) and that you are now the people to be in the elevator the moment the lightening strikes (in which case, those people were not siting because naturally you don't sit in an elevator)

[disneydramadiva]

That would be freaky!! EEK!!! I can just remember the time when ToT broke while I was on it. They turned all the lights on, and we went on a real elevator back to the main level. I almost ran out, I was scared already, but I bit the bullet and went on anyway.

Just a little flashback.

[Princess Ash]

Yup, that would be false advertising. I went on it soon after it first opened, when I was seven or eight years old. I was terrified to go on it because I thought we'd be standing up, but my dad convinced me to go on it. I loved it, although it looks otherwise in the pictures. :p Plus, there was no wait! I wish I could say the same for the ride nowadays, haha.

Anyway, when it first opened, it was lap bars.......not to mention that was also back in the day when the ride went all the way up, and then dropped you 13 stories ALL the way down. TWICE. I don't mind the random stuff they do now, cuz it keeps it interesting, but I do miss dropping the full 13 stories sometimes. And i miss the lapbars, but the seatbelts don't take away too much, you still get to feel pretty weightless.

You know what I think is stupid though? The chicken exit on that ride is located right before you go on. And guess what it is? An elevator. A regular standing elevator that takes you down a floor into the giftshop. But I have seen so many children screaming because they've seen the commercials on TV and think that they're going on the actual ride. Poor kids. :sad2: They should really get some stairs.

I MISS IT TOO!!! It was almost a lot better...but I DO like that they keep it interesting...and that they keep adding stuff...like the window breaking on the bottom floor and then you going back up and on our last trip two years ago...the hologram of the father and daughter halfway up...THAT was cool...

[EeyoreFan1]

It sounds cool!! I'm to chicken to go on it. :rotfl:

[kathy_mandy]

i love tot and i've only ever been on it with the seat belts ! i like to wear stuff round my neck then it floats infront of your face ! im kinda gutted that i never got to go on it when it fell a full 13 floors but then , i kinda think it would be pretty boring if you just kept going down ... down ..... down ....down ! i quite like it down .... down ...... up ...... down ...... up ...... up a bit more ...... open the doors ....... see outside ...... down ...... down , or whatever it does lol :p !

i thought you stood up in it aswell but when we were in the boiler room I saw people sitting down and was slightly gutted when my cousin told me you do sit down in it !

sorry to like ,change the subject a little , but does anyone love r'n'rc ? i think its amazing !!

[Saxsoon]

But Loves Disney, in the ToT we are falling faster than gravity allows us to fall. Those conveyor belts are more than just holding us up. I am not quite sure how much faster, but it is faster. If we were standing up, there would be more ppl dead on that than Mission Space. Sorry if that joke was in bad humor, but it is true.

[HeDiedxILive]

But Loves Disney, in the ToT we are falling faster than gravity allows us to fall. Those conveyor belts are more than just holding us up. I am not quite sure how much faster, but it is faster. If we were standing up, there would be more ppl dead on that than Mission Space. Sorry if that joke was in bad humor, but it is true.


The elevator would fall faster than the people standing in it.
I don't even want to imagine what would happen without those seat belts! It'd be a messy situation, that's for sure. :faint:

[Princess Ash]

Well I was just thinking...what if they had stuff that just strapped in your legs and feet and then you could hold on to something? I think it'd be worth a few test runs...any volunteers? ;) I'm the first!!! :banana:

[Loves Disney]

Standing up would only reduce the intense gut feeling. It centralizes the gravitational pull. Standing up allows for better circulation of adrenaline and so the energetic feeling would reduce as well. I think I'll stick to sitting! ;)

[MuNkY]

not to switch teh subject or anything but we live next to a themepark named valleyfair and thhey have "power tower" which is kinda like tower of terror and i was thinking there really cool rollercoaster Wildthing just broke so it wud suck if power tower broke and i was thinking of ways how it mite break and it like goes all the way to the top, drops half way, goes up a lil more and then drops etc..and the breaks cud not work and drop all the way really fast...and then after i thought about it i decided i shudnt think of anymore cuz that may happend and then well yeah that wud be very bad and i kinda forgot wher i was going with this..so yeahhh ill stop now lol srry
They have a Power Tower at Cedar Point. My step-dad asked them what the brakes are on that thing, and I believe it's some sort of electromagnet thing.

I doubt that if you were standing, you'd fly to the ceiling. Because of gravity and such, that really isn't possible. You would probably feel yourself lift a little bit, but you would follow the elevator down. Everyone falls.
Actually you probably would. Once that thing starts falling, you are in zero gravity, hence you would probably float upwards. The problem would be when you start going back up again, when there is more gravity than normal.

The elevator would fall faster than the people standing in it.
Actually I doubt it would. Gravity pulls down on all things with the same force, hence everything falls at the same rate, regardless of mass or weight. The only thing that makes things fall faster than something else is air resistance compared with surface area or something like that. To prove this, take two pieces of paper. Crumple one up into a ball and leave the other one flat. They both have the same mass, but the flat one has more surface area, hence more air resistance, hence it will be slowed more than the crumpled up one, and the crumpled up one would hit the ground first. Simple Physics.

If there were no air, everything would fall at the same rate. If you dropped the Titanic and a feather on the moon from the same height, they would both hit the ground at the same time.






Basically, if they pretty much just loaded a bunch of people into an elevator, and had them all stand up, there would be a lot more deaths at Disney. You would go to zero G's, probably float upwards, then when the thing stopped and started going the other way, SMACK! You hit the floor with elevated force. (seeing as how you would go from 0 G's to multiple G's.) If someone floated the wrong way, and ended up hitting the floor wrong, yeah. It wouldn't be pretty.

[Loves Disney]

Actually you probably would. Once that thing starts falling, you are in zero gravity, hence you would probably float upwards. The problem would be when you start going back up again, when there is more gravity than normal.

Like I said, a small lift would probably be present, but a major one (such as raising to the ceiling) is unlikely due to phsyics and the laws of gravity. You seem well educated on the matter (heh, no pun intended) so I hope you understand what I mean. :goodvibes

[MuNkY]

Like I said, a small lift would probably be present, but a major one (such as raising to the ceiling) is unlikely due to phsyics and the laws of gravity. You seem well educated on the matter (heh, no pun intended) so I hope you understand what I mean. :goodvibes
Yes, but even a small force on the floor would result in you floating up to the ceiling.

[Loves Disney]

Yes, but even a small force on the floor would result in you floating up to the ceiling.

Not true. You would lift, that much is evident. But you cannot lift so much as to reach the ceiling. You would probably lift 4 in. at most. A good experiment (if you don't trust science) is by taking a penny and resting it on your knee as you ride. You will see that the penny does lift a few inches...but stays suspended in air just below eye level. A human cannot lift that high.

[DizParks]

Since the elevator car is being pulled down faster than gravity. If you were just standing in it, u would definately hit the ceiling of the car.

[MuNkY]

Not true. You would lift, that much is evident. But you cannot lift so much as to reach the ceiling. You would probably lift 4 in. at most. A good experiment (if you don't trust science) is by taking a penny and resting it on your knee as you ride. You will see that the penny does lift a few inches...but stays suspended in air just below eye level. A human cannot lift that high.
Then explain to me how the astronauts in space can float all over the Space Shuttle? That is a Zero Gravity environment, much like a falling elevator. It's the same thing with NASA's plane that simulates a Zero Gravity environment, to help train Astronauts.

The only thing that would restrict how high you can float is how big the drop is.

And remember the penny doesn't have legs and feet that can push up against your hand, in the way the legs and feet can push up against the floor of an elevator.

[Saxsoon]

Since the elevator car is being pulled down faster than gravity. If you were just standing in it, u would definately hit the ceiling of the car.
Thank you! the belts are pulling the elevator and you attached to it faster than 9.8 (ft?) per second.

[pacificnorthwester]

WOW! This is getting way too smart for a DISboard DIScussion!

[MuNkY]

Thank you! the belts are pulling the elevator and you attached to it faster than 9.8 (ft?) per second.
Yup..

[EeyoreFan1]

I think its that the original design for the irde, was stand up, and they make the ads and things WAY before the actiual ride, and didnt change it.

[Loves Disney]

The Tower of Terror is 199 ft tall. That does not allow for enough "pull" to take you to the ceiling.

Pushing off from the floor is entirely different. We can talk about general lift or we can start talking about kinetic energy and a "forced" lift which will then take us down a long road debating inertia.

You are only at a point of zero gravity for a second or two which leaves you not enough time to build up the force of rising to the ceiling.

In short, on Walt Disney World's Tower of Terror, it is NOT possible to reach the ceiling if standing, unattached to the floor. Through multiple on-ride tests and experiments, it has been proven and established that it just won't happen.

[Saxsoon]

I am sorry, but there is no safe way for people to be standing up in the ride unless they had a standing harness. Even then, the pressure when you stop and go back up would have to do serious damage to the persons legs and abdomen.

You can create 0 Gee by going really high up, then falling back to earth. They use this method as training for astronauts in modded planes for the 0Gee atmosphere. They reach the atmosphere then fly back to Earth. This causes them to go faster than 9.8 fps, thus 0 gee.

[MuNkY]

The Tower of Terror is 199 ft tall. That does not allow for enough "pull" to take you to the ceiling.

Pushing off from the floor is entirely different. We can talk about general lift or we can start talking about kinetic energy and a "forced" lift which will then take us down a long road debating inertia.

You are only at a point of zero gravity for a second or two which leaves you not enough time to build up the force of rising to the ceiling.

In short, on Walt Disney World's Tower of Terror, it is NOT possible to reach the ceiling if standing, unattached to the floor. Through multiple on-ride tests and experiments, it has been proven and established that it just won't happen.
Also don't forget that that is in a perfect invironment where no force is applied to the floor.

I did an experiment where I put a dime in a pepsi bottle, then dropped it. The dime didn't lift off the bottom of the bottle at all. If you stayed perfectly still, and didn't push up at all, then you might not move at all. But remember, humans arn't perfect, and there would be people who pushed up against the floor, either accidentally, or perpously. (sp) There would be people who go up heigher than your saying, and there would be people who would go up to the ceiling.

My point is, it's just to riskey for Disney to do. Cool idea on paper, but stupid in real life, seeing as how it would result in serious injury and probably some deaths.

[Loves Disney]

I am sorry, but there is no safe way for people to be standing up in the ride unless they had a standing harness. Even then, the pressure when you stop and go back up would have to do serious damage to the persons legs and abdomen.

You can create 0 Gee by going really high up, then falling back to earth. They use this method as training for astronauts in modded planes for the 0Gee atmosphere. They reach the atmosphere then fly back to Earth. This causes them to go faster than 9.8 fps, thus 0 gee.

This post makes sense now. Of course it is not safe to stand in the Tower of Terror...lift will definately be generated.

And yes, they do test in airplanes. Observe how they must reach a certain level of altitude before they drop, this is not only to extend time of practice, but also to generate enough force. ;)

[MuNkY]

This post makes sense now. Of course it is not safe to stand in the Tower of Terror...lift will definately be generated.

And yes, they do test in airplanes. Observe how they must reach a certain level of altitude before they drop, this is not only to extent time of practice, but also to generate enough force. ;)
Actually it's to extend the time. You could do the exact same thing going over a hill in a roller coaster, but the time wouldn't be as long.

Don't believe me, there is a show on the National Geographic Channel right now that explains that.

[Loves Disney]

Also don't forget that that is in a perfect invironment where no force is applied to the floor.

I did an experiment where I put a dime in a pepsi bottle, then dropped it. The dime didn't lift off the bottom of the bottle at all. If you stayed perfectly still, and didn't push up at all, then you might not move at all. But remember, humans arn't perfect, and there would be people who pushed up against the floor, either accidentally, or perpously. (sp) There would be people who go up heigher than your saying, and there would be people who would go up to the ceiling.

My point is, it's just to riskey for Disney to do. Cool idea on paper, but stupid in real life, seeing as how it would result in serious injury and probably some deaths.

lol, did anyone mention whether force was applied to lift off from the floor? No. In that case we have to look at in the view of being a perfect environment and in that case, my justifications stand as is.

Now, if someone where to push off from the floor, naturally a gained height would occur and if enough force is applied, yes...one could possibly reach the ceiling....

If the Tower of Terror ever made it a standing ride (which we mostly agree would be an extremely risky idea) I'd like to see the idiot who trys to push off with great force (you know there is always that one lol)