CARS Well Kept Dirty Little Secret

[Mubs33]

Let me just plant a little suggestion to all you fans of Pixar, Nascar, and of course Disney. I am a Disney fan - make no mistake about that. But consider if you will that perhaps these large corporations decided to capitalize on a idea that already belonged to someone else. Do you really think that the idea for Cars came from John Lasseter's imagination while on a trip with his son?

***Think again fans***

This idea was presented long ago to Nascar. Even though the concept was passed over, isn't it simply amazing that it ended up becoming a major feature film anyway. Even the details of the characters and storylines are eerily similar. Just consider if you will...Perhaps the hollywood tradition of idea snatching is alive and well and taking up residence at Disney. :sad2:

[Squirlz]

Thanks for that hot tip. Soon, when this becomes huge breaking national headline news, we can all say we heard it here first. :rotfl2:

[raidermatt]

Uh oh. This means there might be a lawsuit.

Disney might need to hire a lawyer.

[budbeerlady]

The first time DD heard about it she said, I already have that. Its VERY similar to her Auto B Good DVDs. http://www.autobgood.com/HomePg.html

[rwodonnell]

The first time DD heard about it she said, I already have that. Its VERY similar to her Auto B Good DVDs. http://www.autobgood.com/HomePg.html
I wondered if this is what the original poster was referring to. You beat me to the link. I don't think any of the guff is coming from the makers of AutoBGood (Wet Cement Productions?) though, at least not officially.

Wasn't there some issue over the Little Mermaid and a guy in France that claimed idea theft some years ago? I think Disney finally won and the guy was proven to have concocted the whole thing?

[2Xited4Disney]

OH MY GOD! Are you telling me that Disney doesn't think up its own ideas...


Beauty and the Beast
Gnomeo and Juliet
Sleeping Beauty
Cinderella


All fairy tales (stories) turned into disney movies.

[Mubs33]

True that this could become a lawsuit, but the problem is that Disney is a big company with even bigger lawyers. They can afford the time and the money involved in this. The little guy can't. All I have to say is shame on them. This is supposed to be a family company, but what poor values this shows.

[Mubs33]

Oh yes. And one more thing. Lest we forget that Disney has "STRONG ARMS" and could make life miserable for the parties involved. SHAME SHAME SHAME on them and PIXAR !!!

[ktulu]

Movies borrow ideas from other movies all the time, nothing new here, move long, nothing to see but a troll...

I for one love cars already, Pixar has another winner IMO...

darren pirate:

[DisneyMommyMichelle]

oh dear, now i will not go see it ;)

[Mubs33]

This is not an adaptation of a Fairy Tale or any other movie already out there. This concept, location, character design, etc .... all directly from the original design by someone else (not Lasseter). Nascar was going to fund this project years ago before Disney, but then I guess decided to quietly "drive" the idea (which wasn't theirs) over to the big boys.

No. This isn't something new in the movie business, but Disney of all companies should be held to higher standards. They have had a dry spell lately. Their own fault for laying off the entire animation crew that had half a brain. Why do you think they wanted to merge with Pixar so badly - they can't come up with any good ideas of their own. That is why they had to release part 2,3, and 4 of old Disney movies.

Put yourself in the shoes of the little guys that originally came up with this idea. Wouldn't you be a little upset? When I heard about this...I fumed.

[2Xited4Disney]

Where is the proof that this movie was pitched to NASCAR before Disney "stole" the idea

[Mubs33]

Also happen to know that the original copyrighted material - "Pre-Pixar/Disney" -exists. Have seen it.

[Mubs33]

Let's just say I am in the "know". Can't reveal my source but I have been behind the scenes, so to speak, before. :)

[Mubs33]

Listen....

I have seen both sides of this company.

I am not taking sides, nor is this a vendetta (as the previous person called it). Like I said before, I still love Disney and still go to the parks as often as I can. My issue is to stand up for what is right and just. And John Lasseter claiming this material for his own just makes me ill. Because I know otherwise.

Hey...maybe Disney didn't know and were duped themselves. Maybe this falls in the lap of Pixar and Nascar. But DIS is just as responsible because their name is on it.

Sorry to burst your Mickey Balloon.

[Another Voice]

This concept, location, character design, etc .... all directly from the original design by someone else (not Lasseter).
But then again, it sure sounds like the "original" presentation to NASCAR ripped off the old Chevron "talking car" commerials that ran for the better part of decade. Perhaps it's the "little guy" that ought to be worried.

There's nothing unique about the idea of anthorpomorphic cars. It was cliche back in 1968 when The Love Bug came out. And if you're trying to find an exciting setting for cars, NASCAR is probably the first idea that pops into anyone's head. Even the personalities of the individual cars aren't all that unique - each one is the sterotype of the particular vehicle it is. I mean, when you see an 1960's VW bus, you don't think it's being driven by banking company's CEO... you think hippie. And when you see a flashy sports car, you don't see it as a grandmother of seven on her way to church, you think "hot headed youth" (or maybe "my wife and kids got me a tie for my 40th birthday, but I bought this for myself").

There is absolutely no reason to think that anyone at Pixar (Disney had nothing to do with this movie, it was made when they hated each other) had any reason, any desire, any opportunity, or any whim to "steal" an idea. Everyone has ideas, and almost all of them are non-unique. Spit out any "movie idea" and it's almost a certainity that someone, somewhere has either made or written something exactly like it.

[DC7800]

Lets see, just off the top of my head ideas that Disney has been accused of stealing or borrowing or adapting:

Wide World of Sports
Epcot
MGM Studios
The Lion King

With what everyone else comes up with, it's quite a long list (not including Disney versions of fairy tales or other stories - Tarzan, Hercules, etc.). Nothing new about Disney being accused of stealing ideas. Besides, this wasn't even Disney's decision or development - Pixar was an independant company at the time of Cars production.

[tmt martins]

Your not bursting anyones bubbles.

Look at Madagasdar ,Over the hedge,Wild,Shrek and so many more Movies that copy ,steal,borrow Ideas it's not even funny.

Maybe he came up with the Idea from seeing something.Maybe he persented the Idea to Nascar and they said We own the rights to something just like that lets go from there.

If it's good no one cares where the idea comes from as long as it's not COPIED or Pirated.

Look Six flags anounced it was Disneyfing all of It's parks with more characters,parades,brunches,and even fireworks.

Does this make it a dirty little secret . No it doesn't.

You made your point with your first post now your just beating on your chest for someone to say yea you ,you broke the almighty Disney down .

[2Xited4Disney]

Your not bursting anyones bubbles.

Look at Madagasdar ,Over the hedge,Wild,Shrek and so many more Movies that copy ,steal,borrow Ideas it's not even funny.

Maybe he came up with the Idea from seeing something.Maybe he persented the Idea to Nascar and they said We own the rights to something just like that lets go from there.

If it's good no one cares where the idea comes from as long as it's not COPIED or Pirated.

Look Six flags anounced it was Disneyfing all of It's parks with more characters,parades,brunches,and even fireworks.

Does this make it a dirty little secret . No it doesn't.

You made your point with your first post now your just beating on your chest for someone to say yea you ,you broke the almighty Disney down .


Are you reading my mind, Pretty close to what I thought too

[Luv2Roam]

I think it is rare for most anyone in the entertainment industry to have an original, creative and popular idea. :rolleyes2
I still think Tommy the Toaster and a Chevron commercial when I see Cars ads.
Doesn't seem so creative to me. But I doubt Chevron cares that much. ;)
If we removed all copies, sequels and generally unoriginal ideas, there wouldn't be much entertainment remaining. :rotfl2:
Personally I think the Cars idea was implanted by aliens. :thumbsup2 :darth: :magnify: :charac2: :scratchin :laughing:

[Mubs33]

Point taken about DISNEY not having been involved from the start. As I said earlier, PIXAR and NASCAR were involved first. Then DISNEY got on board, knowingly or not.

It is sad. Wouldn't you want someone standing up for you in this same situation? Maybe not. Maybe principal means nothing to you.

If you wish, go buy the CARS cereal and the poptarts and the little plastic toys. Of course, nothing I say is going to prevent that. You've obvioulsy already made up your minds. But let others decide for themselves.

Keep in mind though, every time you see this film and any reference to it, that someone out there is getting stepped on.

[rocketriter]

Can't copyright an idea. Never could. It's not stealing. The end.

[Mubs33]

Just so you know. This is the only time I have ever posted anything on this site. I don't spend my life here, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU DO.

Right back at ya buddy. ;)

[tmt martins]

To MUBBS 33

Just come clean and tell us why you deserve to get paid for this idea that Pixar and Nascar stole from you. :lmao:

If it's true we will all ban behind you pirate: and fight your great fight :surfweb: We have the power of the web. :thumbsup2

[Mubs33]

I never said it was my movie, nor did I say it was my idea. IT IS NOT.

I AM BEHIND THE parties in question 100%. I have held my tongue the entire spring, I just just can't watch 1 more CARS commercial, knowing what I know.

As far as the other posts, I'm new to this place as I said. I didn't know it went through so many other times. Honest mistake.

[tink2020]

Originally Posted by Another Voice


There's nothing unique about the idea of anthorpomorphic cars.

...

And if you're trying to find an exciting setting for cars, NASCAR is probably the first idea that pops into anyone's head. Even the personalities of the individual cars aren't all that unique - each one is the sterotype of the particular vehicle it is. I mean, when you see an 1960's VW bus, you don't think it's being driven by banking company's CEO... you think hippie. And when you see a flashy sports car, you don't see it as a grandmother of seven on her way to church, you think "hot headed youth" (or maybe "my wife and kids got me a tie for my 40th birthday, but I bought this for myself").


My thoughts exactly! :thumbsup2

[Mubs33]

And you don't know all the details do you?

Broken Tow Truck with buck teeth... Route 66...usw.

[ktulu]

Mubs33,

PM me what you know, or PM me an email address, I want to know more details. The more I think about this, the more I think something is going on. I for one do NOT want my money going toward what is basically a bunch of theives.

darren

[2Xited4Disney]

Mubs,

I want to believe that you (or your company) came up with the idea first. Here on the Rumors board many people make claims, some outrageous, some seemingly outrageous but actually quite plausible. Many people will dismiss any claim that can not be back up with facts. It has nothing to do with you, It just has to do with the History of and Disney Rumor ( or any rumor for that fact) If you research posts from a few years ago can find people saying things like "the 5th park is going to be built by 2006" "Spaceship earth is giogn to be turned into a rollercoaster by the end of the year"...

Many people here on this board have gotten tired of hearing people say things that seem absurd. I believe I am one of the fairest people here, when ever anyone makes a claim I give them the benefit of the doubt, I usually post something along the lines of "If you can back up your claim more people will believe you". (which I posted to you a few posts back)... The problem is many people reply with your response that they are on the inside. Don't get me wrong I am not trying to call you a liar, but history only shows us that many liars DO come to this board to either irritate or just to have fun at our expense.

[Mubs33]

Just to reiterate...this is not my movie....this is not my idea. I am not speaking for these parties. In fact, they don't even know that I have done this. I am standing up for them, because I believe in what is right.

Thank you though. I appreciate these latest responses. Feels fair rather than certain people poking fun at my expense. I am here to back up a cause and not to protect myself from "spitballs".

You do not know who I am, nor do I know who you are. You do not have to believe me, but, I am not trying to make outrageous claims. You can probably tell I am very passionate about this. Would not have spent all this time on here otherwise.

If you can provide any ideas as to how you want me to prove this, please advise. Short of showing you the movie, I don't know what more I could say.

[Another Voice]

The bigger problem is that you’ve shown us no reason for your anger – just the “they stole the idea from the little guy”. And around Tinsel Town here, that happens about eighteen times a day before breakfast.

We all know Disney is a big company. And I know it’s done some amazing vile things.

But general “I can’t tell you anything, just hate them along with me” just isn’t going to work. We’re all much smarter than that.

Hollywood does occasionally “steal” ideas (which made Art Buckwald a very weathly man), but they are honestly few and far between. Moviemaking is a very restrictive art form. There are only so many ways to tell a story on the screen; these force narrow down the form any story can take. Just because something is similar does not mean it is stolen.

Automobiles are often associated with the types of people who drive them. Most tow trucks are driven by mechanics because, well, it’s their job. Mechanics have a certain stereotype – unfair as it may be – and it’s not wearing Prada and stopping at four in the afternoon for tea. So if most people drew a picture of a small town mechanic, any small town mechanic, it would look pretty similar to the character in Cars.

Having the same idea, especially when it’s a common perception, is hardly stealing.

[DrTomorrow]

OMG - Mubbsie is right! Except I saw the original "car with a mind of its own" movie last week: "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang". Disney is stealing from Ian Fleming!

Mubbs - thanks for joining the DIS just to make us all aware of this. If you give me your address, I'll send you some new tinfoil for your hat....

Be well!

[A_Real_Critic]

person who posted it? Isn't that a violation of the Terms of Service of this board? It seems like most posters on this thread want to attack MUBS33 and not consider the possibility that this user may have a legitimate point.

(Yes, I know I will be dismissed as a troll, but so what? And I have plenty of tinfoil, thank you. It makes storing food easier.)

I am related to the person who developed, produced and copyrighted their own original animated film and presented it to Nascar several years ago. The similarities between that animator's film and "Cars" are hard to ignore; this animator also has spoken with a lawyer, who mentioned that while there are grounds for a lawsuit, it could take years to settle.

But the word I hear from associates who have attended advance screenings of "Cars" is that it's nothing special and tends to get boring in the middle.

[Mubs33]

Let me first begin by saying.. thank you to "A Real Critic" above. You Rock :)

Now on to the point of who I am and why I am. Let's see. Am I a lawyer? Am I a reporter? Am I a security guard in the know or perhaps even a former DIS employee? Well, I am not going to give my identity away....sorry. That just wouldn't be smart.

You have questioned whether I have been behind the scenes. So, I tried to come up with a few questions that may let you veteran DISBOARD guys know that I am for real in what I say. Maybe these are good questions or perhaps they aren't. Maybe they are too easy to answer? Maybe they don't prove a thing, other than I've been there. I don't know but here you go....

Do you know where the feature animation building was located in Florida (and NO...I don't mean the "Art of Animation Building" - that is just for show)?

Do you know what color that building was?

Do you know what piece of Disneyanna was stored in the open air area of this building?

Do you know what type of food was served at this building's cafe (ie. burgers and fries)?

Do you know what term some Disney staffers call the tourists that come to the parks?

I'll give you a little while to answer. Then I'll respond.

[Grumpy_Disney_Dad]

Silly me i thought maybe Disney watched the Stephen King movie"CHristine" and wondered what the movie would be like if Christine was on prozac and had friends :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl:

[Judge Fudge]

I will never get the appeal of Nascar, not if I lived to be a million.

[Rence]

OMG - Mubbsie is right! Except I saw the original "car with a mind of its own" movie last week: "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang". Disney is stealing from Ian Fleming!



Which was a blantant rip-off of "My Mother The Car". Disney owes Jerry VanDyke a huge apology!

[ktulu]

Critic, mubbsie, PM me with more details, or PM me your email address and I can drop you an email. I would really like to know more details about this, lets just say I have a project in the works and it is a concern...

[Sarangel]

Sorry I missed out on this thread until now. Mubs33 has a right to state his/her opinion and you all have a right to believe or disbelieve, however I am disappointed in then posts calling him/her a troll. All of us were new here at one point in time, and most of us started by posting something that we thought was cool or worth talking about.

Whether this allegation is true, it is a rumor and a legitimate post for this board. Asking for more information or debating points already in evidence is OK, name calling is not. I have removed the "troll" posts in whole or in part, as inappropriate.

Sarangel

[tmt martins]

Sorry I missed out on this thread until now. Mubs33 has a right to state his/her opinion and you all have a right to believe or disbelieve, however I am disappointed in then posts calling him/her a troll. All of us were new here at one point in time, and most of us started by posting something that we thought was cool or worth talking about.

Whether this allegation is true, it is a rumor and a legitimate post for this board. Asking for more information or debating points already in evidence is OK, name calling is not. I have removed the "troll" posts in whole or in part, as inappropriate.

Sarangel

Your right Sara

I am SORRY :guilty: But this just seem that the poster joined just for the bashing of the Movie Cars .He / she still has not posted on anything else but the 2 threads for this same reason with no real explanation but Disney/Pixar are DIRTY .

[Sarangel]

I agree that the OP has given us little more than "because I said so & I'm telling the truth," but it's worth the benefit of the doubt. I seem to recall many here (several years ago) laughing at the idea that Disney could have stolen the idea for their sports complex - but they lost that lawsuit. I'm in the wait and see camp on this one.

[Another Voice]

Do you know what type of food was served at this building's cafe (ie. burgers and fries)?
So you're basing your ENTIRE claim on trivia about some insignificant building of a long closed department?

I have no doubt something like this is possible. But I also know the extreme lengths that all movie companies go through to protect themselves from the "I mailed in my idea and you stole it" claims that follow every successful movie (and it's always funny that no one ever claims they had a stolen idea for a movie that flops). Furthermore I also know that similar ideas pop-up in different places all the time. Most people really do think alike.

I'd be much more impressed you would stop these silly kiddy "I'm An Important Person" games (which just show how little you really know) and could show how John Lasseter saw the alleged movie idea. Knowing slang terms from WDW's kitchen staff doesn't do anything for your credibility.

[Euphscott]

I'd be more inclined to take the idea seriously if the claim was made somewhere other than inside this thread. No news of this anywhere else on the internet, no other postings or news articles. That in and of itself does not prove a negative, but real news generally appears in places other than one lone fan forum thread.

Color me skeptical.

[A_Real_Critic]

1) The animator in question spent long hours and lots of his own money to develop a car-themed cartoon for Nascar. One of the key features of his movie was, unlike "My Mother the Car" or "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang," cars that has moving mouths. When discussed among among our family, we referred to this project as the "racing car film".

2) My relative took a meeting with NASCAR and presented his idea to senior staff. They liked the idea but declined to pursue it with him.

3) Now we have a film from Pixar with many similarities, including the tow truck that has buck teeth and talks like a southern hick.

4) John Lasseter, who has claimed to have "Disney's blood in his veins," said he came up with the concept while on a raod trip with the kids.

That's it in a nutshell. This is a lot different than a writer sending an unsolicited manuscript to a TV show production office and then claiming their idea was stolen. My relative followed standard procedure, including copyrighting his intellectual property, and, we believe, had his concept stolen.

[rocketriter]

Unless Disney signed a confidentiality agreement with the original author and then broke the agreement, the case is very weak.

Years ago, when the original Fantasia was in production, Disney lawyers discovered a problem with Igor Stravinsky's copyright of The Rite of Spring (used for the dinosaur sequence). According to Stravinsky they sent him $5,000 as a courtesy, but also informed him that he had no recourse if he wanted to stop them or change the amount. Stravinsky was stuck--although he did get even in his autobiography by calling the orchestral performance "execrable" and asking of the animated sequence, "...how can one criticize an unresisting imbecility?"

[Sarangel]

Nowhere has anyone shown a connection between this independant film & John Lassiter or Pixar. The only connection seems to have been with Nascar officials.

[YoHo]

It's already been mentioned but I'll say it again, Disney had a short from the 50s with an anthropomorphic car in it. Further, Chevron has been running ads with this theme for decades now. The idea of Anthropomorphic cars having personalities related to their typical drivers is standard fair as well. In short, I have no problem elieving someone else came up with a similar idea. I bet thousands of someones came up with it. doesn't mean Pixar stole it. It just means people think alike.

[DisneyBaby!]

The evil empire has struck again. I am getting bored with the stories of the big bad company taking advantage of the little guy. This pops up all the time with a popular movie, someone says, hey they stole my idea! But like many of the posters stated, unless the op has definative proof that John Lassitar was in the room when the story was pitched, than you have to belive him when he says the idea was his. There is proof that mythological creatures around the world sprang up , at the same time and independantly of other cultures that had no contact. To put it simply, did the, lets say Romanians steal the idea of dragons from the Chinese. Happens all the time. Ever go to work and someone is wearing the exact same outfit as you? Did they steal that idea from you or did you come up with the idea both on your own.

[Another Voice]

This is a lot different than a writer sending an unsolicited manuscript to a TV show production office and then claiming their idea was stolen. My relative followed standard procedure, including copyrighting his intellectual property, and, we believe, had his concept stolen.

But where, where is the link between “showing the idea to NASCAR” and “Pixar made a movie with talking cars”? That’s the key. How do we know the people that made Cars knew of your relative’s idea? What evidence or indication is there at all that Pixar didn’t come up with a vaguely similar idea?

The idea of “talking cars with mouths” is hardly original. Mouths and eyes are the most important elements to add to make any object “human’. Recently we had a decade of Chevron commercials with exactly that same idea. How many hundreds of other talking cars, trains (like Thomas), planes, boats, etc. have been in movies and cartoons over the years?

I know how terrible it is to work hard on a project and have no one bite. Hollywood is a miserable and rotten place filled with the lowest forms of human life on two legs. And Disney is certainly no better than any other studio. Ask any member on this board, I am hardly the cheerleader for anything Disney. In fact, most people rather think that I'm out to destroy everything they like.

But fair is fair.

You’re accusing Disney of something when you don’t have any evidence, you only have coincidence. Disney and Pixar have the presumption of innocence on their side until it can be shown they’ve done something wrong. Show us why we should be as outraged as you and you’ll find plenty of support around here. But until then all this sure sounds like another Tragic Tale of Tinsel Town.

[Mubs33]

First off. Thank you Sarangel. I was getting hand cramps from trying to defend myself on this board and I don't even know why I should. Came here to speak about a highly-intelligent, creative, team - not to get all this guff. I haven't said anything negative about any of you (unless in self defense).

Why did I choose to go here? Well actually one of your veteran members told me that DISBOARDS was the place to go to tell of this. They said people here are great. Well, I now feel otherwise. I had no idea that everyone here could be so closed-minded, rude and attacking. Hope you longtimers are proud of yourselves. Seems that if anyone says anything that goes against the "bible of the mouse" - you pounce. You have ruined my opinion of the Disney Fans here. As earlier stated, I love going to the parks just as much as you do. I count down the days and would be happy to just sit on a bench if only to feel like part of the magic. After this is all over, I will not return to your precious boards. I'm sure many of you are giving a collective hooray to that statment and sobeit. Once again, it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But I'm not going to criticize you for it.

Why did I choose the Rumors thread - actually I didn't at first. Looked at something with CARS on it and went to the Road Trip thread instead. My inexperience with postings showed up there, which is why it came up so many times. Like I said before - my mistake. So I looked for another spot for which this might be a fit - thus the Rumors board. Until such time that this reaches a court of law and a decision is made, I do not feel this information belongs anywhere else.

Now as promised, here are the answers to the questions I posed this morning. Doesn't seem to matter much now, but it does give me some slight satisfaction, knowing that for all that you DISboard guys and gals think you know - NOT ONE OF YOU COULD ANSWER THEM so far. Go ahead and verify if you wish.

1. The location of the feature animation building was on a private drive off of the main road to MGM. The entrance is behind the Tower of Terror and directly next to the Rockin Rollercoaster soundstage. Don't plan on going there - SECURITY GUARDS will get you!

2. The color of the building was a rusty redish color. A parking gargage was directly across from the entrance.

3. The piece of Disneyanna that used to sit here is a car from the "DUMBO the Flying Elephant" ride at TMK. Never been used as far as I know.

4. Food served here was healthy fare, including tuna on multi-grain bread, veggie chili, and organic smoothies.

5. Finally, the name the DISNEY castmembers use to lovingly refer to tourists...TURONS. You figure out what that means. It's pretty easy.

OK. I have a real job, a real life, and a very real family. So I am not going to spend my time on here just mulling over the same old thing. I gave one of you a Private Message with more details because I thought you deserved it. This person knows who they are. Had you other guys been a little more accomodating, maybe I would have done the same for you.

I will leave the rest up to a "A REAL CRITIC" to handle if they wish. I grow tired of this High School like atmosphere.

[Another Voice]

I grow tired of this High School like atmosphere.
Yes, indeed.

I asked you why I should believe you. All I got is a childish “quiz” that you think makes you look like an "insider" – but in reality only shows you know nothing about what’s going on. You’ve been inside the building. Big deal. Any janitor can tell me what they serve in the cafeteria; tell us what you had last week in the Rotunda if you want anyone’s attention.

Sorry, when you make big charges you have to give out big reasons why you should be believed. Demanding to be taken seriously or you'll take your ball and cry home to mommy…that’s high school.

You will find an intelligent group here. Treat us with respect and intelligence and you’ll get the same in return. But if you want to snizel and whine then please do as you wish.

You’ll find the rest of us at the local theater buying our tickets for Cars.

[Mubs33]

Good for you. Go spend your money like every other person in the "bubble". Whatever you want. GO FOR IT!

I am not whining, big bad bully person. I just don't owe you anything. I have much more knowledge of this than what I have posted but have been careful because I don't want to get certain people in trouble. BUT, Just try to get it out of me - you won't ANOTHER VOICE.

Let the 2 other people on this website that have some knowledge of this answer you.

You waste my time !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[YoHo]

I suggest you read a few more threads before drawing any conclusions about the makeup of this board. I also suggest you get down off your high horse with regards to WDW minutia. It won't earn you any points on this topic.


10s of thousands of scripts and treatments are registered in Hollywood every year. 10s of thousands, you think each one is unique? Unless you are willing to offer some substantial proof, then there is no way to distinguish your claim from the claims of hundreds of Low level animators, tape room clerks and Dennys waiters that fuss about their stolen ideas every day.

The fact of the matter is that the basic ideas on which Cars is based have been around for Decades. heck, Disney's Chevron Sponsered Autopia could be considered a source for the material. So, you can't just make a blanket statement and expect to be believed without providing more evidence.

[Mubs33]

You want names? You want a copy of the tape? I could provide that, but why. You've already made up your mind.

[Goobergal99]

Who cares :confused3 , Why do ppl register just to take pot shots at the mouse. This isn't the first time that hollywood has capitalized on someone else idea. Here's an idea, try copyrighting your stories and then you don't have to worry about them being stolen :thumbsup2

[Tink's Tormentor]

Why Mubs? Because you made a SERIOUS allegation.. And REFUSE to back it up... If this is copyrighted material from a friend or relative of yours, give us some info and we can go to the government's copyright website and read for ourselves.. Did you even know the government puts copyrighted material on their site so you can find out if your idea is already taken?? Also, you cannot copyright an idea.. Characters and designs, sure.. but not ideas... So, if your friend had the idea, too bad... All anyone asked for on here was some sort of proof.. You kept spewing venom about Pixar and Disney stealing an idea, but never backed it up... Kind of like someone coming on here saying I KNOW SOMEONE IN THE KNOW WHO SAID A NEW RIDE WAS COMING... Ok, prove it... Now, I will give you the benefit of the doubt ONLY when you provide us with some proof... And by the way, that little quiz you gave, I knew the answers to it.. Just I am in work and haven't had a chance to read this site until now... So, you didn't prove you are someone in the know, because, I am not in the know and I knew those answers... :)

[Another Voice]

I just want to hear how and when John Lasseter saw the "presentation".

Until you can show there's a link between the "idea" and the "thief", you don't have any case.

It's a simple request.

[YoHo]

The only thing I've made up my mind about is that you're not someone I particularly am fond of at the moment. Perhaps if the supposedly offended party has sought legal restitution on public record, or has some form of proof in the form of a confirmed dated script, or some sort of connection between lasseter and the offended party wherby Lasseter would be privy to the script, then you'd have something to offer.


So far, you've given us nothing to back up your claims.


Anyone remember the Lucas Film Radioland Murders?

Somehow I think we could use this thread to redo that story with a modern twist.

[Mubs33]

Hum. You want me to provide proof. Well I gave you almost 7 hours to answer my dumb little quiz and you didn't. Pretty easy to claim you knew those answers after the fact... isn't it.

I only posed the quiz in the first place to respond to those who doubted I have been in the building...nothing more. I said it wouldn't prove anything. It was just kinda fun. I have a sense of humor too you know.

[Mubs33]

:rolleyes1 And a confirmed dated piece of media does exist. And a link to Lasseter does exist. You want more...try to get it.

And by the way...I feel the same about you both :)

[YoHo]

Well, sinc eI just started reading this thread 2 hours ago, your 7 hours are meaningless to me, and since your little quiz has absolutly zero relevence to the claims your making, it really doesn't matter. And, I don't doubt for one minute that you've been in the place. I just don't care. All I want is to have it laid out for me logically, how Lasseter stole this idea. How was he given the opportunity. When? Why?

Again, Thousands of script ideas go through Hollywood's revolving door and are similar to movies that are actually made. what proof do you have that something more sinister then coincidence occured?

[Another Voice]

Hum. You want me to provide proof.
Actually, I'd settle for logical conjecture.

But all I'm getting is "I saw Dumbo, you didn't". So you went into the new animation building. No one cares. That doesn't make you any more believable or interesting.

Answering the topics at hand might help your case a little bit more.

[YoHo]

And a confirmed dated piece of media does exist. And a link to Lasseter does exist. You want more...try to get it.


Try to get it? Why don't you provide it for me? I'm not the one trying to convince people that Lasseter stole this, you are, so it's up to you to provide the proof. So do so. Or as they say, get off the pot. I'm sure there's a guy on break from Dennys ready to explain how Pirates of the Caribbean was totally his idea.

[Sarangel]

Well I gave you almost 7 hours to answer my dumb little quiz and you didn't. Pretty easy to claim you knew those answers after the fact... isn't it.This is unfair to Tink's Tormenter, who is the only poster to make that claim. You are new to this board, and don't know the histories of various posters. I have been here since 2000, and 'know' most of them.

TT, AV, YH, and others are thoughtful, intelligent individuals who have not asked unreasonable questions. None of them have attacked you for being a new poster, they've just asked if you can provide more than "because" as a reason for them to believe that Pixar pirated a specific storyline or characters.

[Tink's Tormentor]

Hum. You want me to provide proof. Well I gave you almost 7 hours to answer my dumb little quiz and you didn't. Pretty easy to claim you knew those answers after the fact... isn't it. See, this invalidates you right here.. it is called HAVING A JOB AND NOT BEING ABLE TO SIT HERE ALL DAY UNLIKE YOU AND SPEW VENOM AT DISNEY...

I only posed the quiz in the first place to respond to those who doubted I have been in the building...nothing more. I said it wouldn't prove anything. It was just kinda fun. I have a sense of humor too you know. You didn't use this quiz as a joke.. You used it to try to back up your claim as someone in the know.. and you prove you aren't.. Like I said, I knew those answers too... And I am far from someone in the know..

Ok, what have you proved here so far?? NOTHNG.. You proved you can irritate other members.. You proved people can come on here and spew anti-Disney venom... Until you provide ANY kinf of evidence you will not be taken seriously... So, I am calling you out MUBS.... provide us with a video of this cartoon, pictures, documents, proof it was a copyrighted movie.. and not some dream you had one night...

[Mubs33]

A REAL CRITIC, please answer this. Tell them about the Lasseter interview.

It isn't a script...it is a real fleshed out piece.

Thanks much

[Tink's Tormentor]

This is unfair to Tink's Tormenter, who is the only poster to make that claim. You are new to this board, and don't know the histories of various posters. I have been here since 2000, and 'know' most of them.

TT, AV, YH, and others are thoughtful, intelligent individuals who have not asked unreasonable questions. None of them have attacked you for being a new poster, they've just asked if you can provide more than "because" as a reason for them to believe that Pixar pirated a specific storyline or characters.

Thank you Sarangel... All I want is some proof.. Until then, I do not believe you MUBS...

[ktulu]

One possibility I'd like to throw out, if they are talking to lawyers, they may have been told to keep quiet about it. We know that Disney reads these boards (hey guys!) and mubs may not be at liberty to disclose any more info.

I agree that we need something more, and his quiz might have been just a way to try and show that mubs knows more than just some random guy. Not the best method IMO, but I'm not ready to toss mubs to the lions just yet. I'm in wait and see mode.

As far as things escalating and starting to get ugly, I think mubs might be feeling like an animal backed into a corner, the only way out is to fight :teeth:

darren pirate:

[Tink's Tormentor]

A REAL CRITIC, please answer this. Tell them about the Lasseter interview.

It it isn't a script...it is a real fleshed out piece.

Thanks much

Then provide it.... or tell us where we can find it.. You want to be taken seriously, but you aren't doing a blessed thing to back up your claim.. making your claim appear baseless....

OK, example.. I posted here once about the land off the new entrance road to Disney... I told everyone here how Disney has big plans for the area... A friend of mine who IS in the know told me, but wouldnt and couldnt tell me to what extent Disney was planning on using this land.. People here doubted me, rightfully so... i wasn't upset or mad.. but I couldnt give my friends name out for the sake of them losing their job... And if I was able to, then i sure would have provided a picture, drawing, name, plans, or whater else I knew and had my hands on...

Different situation here... You or your friend wouldn't be losing their job... And you obviously know of a place where this video exists... Just provide it and stop hiding behind another memebr of this board, who also, as coincidence, joined today.... if you two know, the provide us with the information we are asking for.... if yu can't, then this will get files away under G.. G for GARBAGE...

[Mubs33]

This is in response to KTULU

Exactly! You have taken the words from my mouth.

[Tink's Tormentor]

One possibility I'd like to throw out, if they are talking to lawyers, they may have been told to keep quiet about it. We know that Disney reads these boards (hey guys!) and mubs may not be at liberty to disclose any more info. Too late now to keep quiet.. cat is out of the bag... if they were told to keep quiet, then MUBS shoudl never have come on here saying what he/she said...

I agree that we need something more, and his quiz might have been just a way to try and show that mubs knows more than just some random guy. Not the best method IMO, but I'm not ready to toss mubs to the lions just yet. I'm in wait and see mode. I am some regular guy and I even knew the answers....

As far as things escalating and starting to get ugly, I think mubs might be feeling like an animal backed into a corner, the only way out is to fight :teeth:

darren pirate: MUBS only way out now is to provide some sort of proof, some sort of link to his claim.. If he can't for legal reason, then he should never have come on here spewing anti-Disney/Pixar venom...

[Mubs33]

It is a rumor board guys...open to opinion. That's all. Up to you to decide.

And it wasn't the original HE that came here. I'm just regular joe like everyone else on here. I just happen to know more about this than you do.

[Sarangel]

Too late now to keep quiet.. cat is out of the bag... if they were told to keep quiet, then MUBS shoudl never have come on here saying what he/she said...Actually, the cat isn't out of the bag, as you (and others) have pointed out Mubs33 hasn't actually told us anything.

Frankly, I think this horse is dead (unless Mubs33 has anything else to bring to the party) and we can all just wait & follow the lawsuit when or if it comes about.

[Tink's Tormentor]

It is a rumor board guys...open to opinion. That's all. Up to you to decide.

And it wasn't the original HE that came here. I'm just a person like everyone else on here. I just happen to know more about this that you do.

Then there is no basis for this.. Strictly a person who doesn't care for the movie CARS and is doing what they can to get people not to support it.. Coming on here and spreading vicsous lies and rumors about the integrity of John Lassetter, Pixar, and Disney... You do know, this is grounds for a lawsuit against you right?? You are defaming Lassetter's character by postiing this RUMOR.. After all, it is just a rumor, right??? One that defames a person's name no less... MUBS, seriously, think before you post... You may come across in a better light than you are right now...

[Another Voice]

One possibility I'd like to throw out, if they are talking to lawyers, they may have been told to keep quiet about it.
At what point does posting "DISNEY STOLE MY MOVIE" on the Internet count as "keeping quiet"?

Until there's something to go on here, he might as well be claiming that Bigfoot showed him the Holy Grail in Lord Xenu's flying saucer.

Anyway as it stands right now, this is less than a rumor.

[YoHo]

At this point, I'd be shocked if there is more. If there are lawyers involved and people were told to keep quiet, then mubs has already messed that up. If as I suspect it's the same kind of stolen ideas that happen all the time, or an out and out lie, then there is of course nothing else to add. There are some people that post here that actually work in the movie business, actually know how movies get made and how ideas are developed. If there were something real here, then it's pretty surprising that we haven't heard of it previously.

[Tink's Tormentor]

Actually, the cat isn't out of the bag, as you (and others) have pointed out Mubs33 hasn't actually told us anything.

Frankly, I think this horse is dead (unless Mubs33 has anything else to bring to the party) and we can all just wait & follow the lawsuit when or if it comes about.

I do respectfully disagree... Cat is out of the bag... he informed us that John Lassetter/Disney/Pixar KNOWINGLY stole someone else's movie... but refused to prove it.. By making that statement.. he let it out that someone already has copyrighted material and probably going to sue.. therefore he/she let the cat out of the bag

As fas as this being a dead horse, sure is... MUBS won't bring anything else to the table because there is nothing to bring to the table... if there was, MUBS could have led us in the right direction to find it.. Instead he/she chooses to give us a dumb little quiz... MUBS, you don't need to come out and state here word for word what you know.. Post alink or a site where we can find it ourselves.. That is all we really are asking you.... Better yet, include me in that PM you sent to other people with what you know.. I promise not to share it.. if I find it credible, i will be the first to come on here and apologize for doubting.. Deal or no deal?

[tmt martins]

1st What are your friends waiting for .It to gross 150mil like it's going to.

Then it's worth their while to sue.

2nd this may be a Rumor thread but this board is Domain and any and all post can be used in a court of law.( I know someone on another board not related to disney that posted something about a person .Everything had to be released and this person was held liabile for damage to character.

3rd yes you didn't give details but you insinuated and posted that Cars was stolen in soooo many post in so many different ways.

I am not sure if the person that claims to have family involved is just new or you turned them on to this board but it seem strange that all the sudden here is another newbe spouting with no proof.

All I want is to be entertained and you have done a fine job at that THANKS A BUNCH :thumbsup2

[pedro2112]

A REAL CRITIC, please answer this. Tell them about the Lasseter interview.

It isn't a script...it is a real fleshed out piece.

Thanks much

I thought you were "arealcritic"?

[Luv2Roam]

I have not read through all this thread. If nothing else it is entertaining. :lmao:
Hey! That's a movie idea! Disney -- don't steal it! :rotfl2:
I am surprised many have put this much effort into replying to this thread as they have.

[DisneyKidds]

What I believe:

Mubs/Critic, or Mubs, or Critic, or whomever he/she/they are, has a relative or acquaintance who developed an idea about a NASCAR themed animated film.

Coming up with an idea about a NASCAR themed animated film isn't exactly something that could likely be considered unique.

Said relative/acquaintance of Mubs/Critic pitched said idea, which was likely not unique in the world, to NASCAR, in a fruitless meeting, the kind of which happens quite frequently.

The alleged harmed party should be able to produce original materials, along with names, dates, times of said meetings and presentations.

Should lawyers persue the alleged harm in question, countless pieces of evidence and depositions will back said claims.

What I do not believe, in the absence of further evidence:

That Lassiter was present for said meetings between the alleged harmed party and NASCAR.

That any acquaintance or business partner of Lassiter, or any other Pixar employee, was present at said meetings.

That any ideas, concepts or characters from the aforementioned original material was leaked to or otherwise obtained by Lassiter, or any other Pixar employee.

Conclusion:

Someone had an idea, an idea that contained similarities to Cars. Unfortunately, that person didn't have the clout, connections or ability to have their version of a somewhat common idea brought to fruition on the big screen. The Pixar big dogs with all their resources did have the ability to bring their somewhat similar version of this somewhat common idea to life. It's hard to beat the big guys in this industry, and losing to them doesn't mean anything wrong or illegal happened. Until it can be shown that Lassiter and Pixar had direct knowledge of the characters and concepts in someone else's original materials this will simply go down as one of a thousand cases where someone had an idea they couldn't get past conception, only to painfully watch someone else make tens of millions off an independently developed idea that was very similar to their own.

Give me some proof to show otherwise and I'll sit back and watch the fireworks, because Pixar should be taken to task if they truely stole the idea.

[Tink's Tormentor]

This is not an adaptation of a Fairy Tale or any other movie already out there. This concept, location, character design, etc .... all directly from the original design by someone else (not Lasseter). Nascar was going to fund this project years ago before Disney, but then I guess decided to quietly "drive" the idea (which wasn't theirs) over to the big boys.

Still having problems with this statement.. Where are the copyrights to the design of the character? Character name?? Where is the copyrighted script?? Non-existant.. FAKE FAKE FAKE..

[2Xited4Disney]

[QUOTE=DisneyKidds]
Someone had an idea, an idea that contained similarities to Cars. Unfortunately, that person didn't have the clout, connections or ability to have their version of a somewhat common idea brought to fruition on the big screen. The Pixar big dogs with all their resources did have the ability to bring their somewhat similar version of this somewhat common idea to life. It's hard to beat the big guys in this industry, and losing to them doesn't mean anything wrong or illegal happened. Until it can be shown that Lassiter and Pixar had direct knowledge of the characters and concepts in someone else's original materials this will simply go down as one of a thousand cases where someone had an idea they couldn't get past conception, only to painfully watch someone else make tens of millions off an independently developed idea that was very similar to their own.
QUOTE]

This reminds me of the Us Patent Office commercial

It shows a guy watching people roller blading and the guy says "THAT WAS MY IDEA FIRST" then he shows his crappy version of Rollerblades, I just laugh every time I see that commercial.

How many times have you seen a product and though THAT WAS MY IDEA!!.... (I swear I thought up the "Good Grips" kitchen utensiles

well unless companies have microchips planted in all of our brains, it is always possible that someone though of it also, GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE

[TCPluto]

Listen....



I am not taking sides, nor is this a vendetta...

Please..... Do you expect anyone to believe this??

[TCPluto]

You've obvioulsy already made up your minds. But let others decide for themselves.

How about we all let a court of competent jurisdiction decide this when they are presented with all of the facts, and not just one sided slander from someone "on the inside"??

It's just a thought.....

[TCPluto]

1) One of the key features of his movie was, unlike "My Mother the Car" or "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang," cars that has moving mouths.

Yea, Disney has never thought of this, putting faces on clocks, teacups, or trees......

[bevgray]

Always fun to visit here from my usual forums.

One question for the Original Poster.

I realize you won't/can't provide real details. But, can you at least say when the allegedly injured party pitched their idea to NASCAR (quarter and year would suffice, e.g., spring 2003).

Also, you might want to take a look at one of the "Brave Little Toaster" movies which has a junk-yard sequence filled with old automobiles singing about their former lives along with the "Little Blue Coupe" which is one of Disney's sweeter shorts.

[MasterShake]

Back in Grade School I wrote a story about a child’s toys coming to life and conversing with one another when no one was around. I received an A on this paper and it soon caught the attention of Disney executives. Couple week’s later three men in black suits came into my room. They beat me unmercifully with plush Piglets and demanded I reveal the location of my paper. A few years later Toy Story came out in theaters. My idea was used by Disney to make millions of dollars.

Don’t believe me; well let me take the following quiz:

1) What color is Piglet?
2) What did they serve in my school cafeteria the day prior to the Piglet beating?
3) How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

[TCPluto]

Back in Grade School I wrote a story about a child’s toys coming to life and conversing with one another when no one was around.

A few years later Toy Story came out in theaters. My idea was used by Disney to make millions of dollars.

Don’t believe me; well let me take the following quiz:

1) What color is Piglet?
2) What did they serve in my school cafeteria the day prior to the Piglet beating?
3) How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

HA HA!! This makes as much sense as the OP!!!

[2Xited4Disney]

Pink
Pizza (cafeteria's always have pizza)
They can't


DID I WIN!!???

[MasterShake]

Ohhh, so close!!!!

Number 2: The answer I was looking for was Turkey Gravy and Mashed Potato's.

I guess your just not a true insider like me. :clown:

[A_Real_Critic]

I can see a few good points have been made.

A few years ago, I thought up a story treatment about the President of the United States being a bachelor (no First Lady in the picture). About two years later, Rob Reiner came out with the wonderful "American President," which was about a widowed President. Since I had put nothing on paper, in a computer or filed anything with the writer's guild, it was simply a case of someone with a similar idea getting to the market first.

The situation with "Cars" is different and that's why I contributed to this thread in the first place. With the evidence I presented, I can't make a strong case on this board, so you may dismiss me as a crackpot if that makes you happy.

And I am not MUBS33, but I did kidnap the Lindbergh baby and I was the second shooter on the grassy knoll (Look in the Zapruder film--I'm the guy in the bushes waving a gun).

[ErikdaRed]

Unless they can prove that someone was exposed to an exact idea there is no case. We are talking copyrights here, not patents; two people coming up with the same idea can both copyright it, as long as it was developed independently. And of course this happens all the time in Hollywood, heck they had two movies about the first daughter falling for her security guard scheduled to come out on the same day with the same name.

[TCPluto]

The situation with "Cars" is different and that's why I contributed to this thread in the first place. With the evidence I presented, I can't make a strong case on this board, so you may dismiss me as a crackpot if that makes you happy.

Why post this on a discussion board if you weren't going to provide the information to at least attempt to support your claim?

Why not wait for the court filings and adjudication to make your point? Other than start a slander campaign, what has been accomplished?

If you and Mubs33 are not one in the same, who did you both happen to join and post at the same time? Just coincidence?

Maybe you're not one in the same, but you both have the same motives, whatever they might be...

[A_Real_Critic]

on this board? Can you give specific examples?

I just offered some details and left it up to you and the others to decide what they think is true or false.

[DisneyGirl4188]

I just offered some details and left it up to you and the others to decide what they think is true or false.

You didn't offer details. Instead, you gave a vague statement of something that may or may not have happened.

All anyone asked for was some proof, but neither you nor Mubs provided that. All he/you did was say that we should believe what you say, but don't back up the statements. I am perfectly willing to believe what you both say, if you can provide something, anything that supports your statements. Is that too much to ask?

I do think it is completely unfair to try and discredit Disney, Pixar, or anyone supposedly involved in the theft, unless proof is provided. They can sue you for defamation; are you aware of that?

Plus, as it has been stated previously Disney wasn't party to the making of Cars. So, to be angry with them is absurd. Yes, they are releasing the movie now, but what are they supposed to do? IF this supposed theft did in fact take place, maybe Disney has no knowledge of it.

We are reasonable people here and I think that if proof was provided then we would be in your corner. However, until that occurs, lay off.

[A_Real_Critic]

In any of my posts, when did I slander/accuse anyone of anything? I pointed out a scenario that I know for a fact occured. I did not mention anything about anyone stealing anything.

And I'm not asking anyone to believe anything. As Chuck Berry says "It's a free country, baby. Live like you want to live."

As for defamation of character, the only instances of that I see on this thread are other posters attacking my character.

[TCPluto]

In any of my posts, when did I slander/accuse anyone of anything? I pointed out a scenario that I know for a fact occured. I did not mention anything about anyone stealing anything.

The only way for you to know it for a fact is for you to be the person the intelectual property or ideas were stolen from, as you alledge occurred.

If it wasn't your idea, than what your facts consist of is hearsay, which is far from fact.

You acuse Disney and Pixar of stealing the idea of the talking car and premise of the movie. If proven to be unture, it is slander. I'm sorry you can't see that

I ask again, why start this here on an internet discussion board instead of a civil court with jurisdiction over the matter? Makes no sense...

[A_Real_Critic]

specific examples of when I said anything about stealing. In my second post, I outlined a scenario and mentioned Pixar (not Disney), and just pointed out the similarities between one project and another. Things I did not write are being attributed to me.

I've reviewed all my posts and nowhere do I accuse anyone of anything. If the moderator of this forum finds what I have typed to be offensive, then it will be removed

[TCPluto]

1) My relative followed standard procedure, including copyrighting his intellectual property, and, we believe, had his concept stolen.


This is the statement to which I was referring.

And your "facts" shared within the family remain hearsay and of no value when trying to prove or disprove your position.