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disneyobessed
04-01-2006, 07:41 AM
I just read on mousesavers that the free dining plan was going to be offered starting Aug 13!!! Our ressies are for Aug 6-11. we were going to change them to the 13-18th but i just called disney and they said they dont offer the free dining plan to renters????????? Is this true?

Slakk
04-01-2006, 07:49 AM
Free dining is only for those who pay rack rate for their rooms. As a renter you are getting a huge discount that would is bigger than the free dining. Sounds to me like you already have a better deal than anyone staying in a regular room with free dining.

bicker
04-01-2006, 08:11 AM
Actually, DVC doesn't even acknowledge rental of DVC points as a rental. As far as Disney is concerned, your friend is letting you stay at his timeshare for the week.

CapeCodFam
04-01-2006, 08:51 AM
can't wait to start seeing threads like: "DVC members aren't being appreciated" because we don't get free meals. :rotfl2: :stir:

Alexander
04-01-2006, 09:04 AM
I just read on mousesavers that the free dining plan was going to be offered starting Aug 13!!! Our ressies are for Aug 6-11. we were going to change them to the 13-18th but i just called disney and they said they dont offer the free dining plan to renters????????? Is this true?
Are you kidding?????? Free dining is when you purchase a complete package plan through Disney. Renting points is something completely different. You should know that if you are renting points. Bless the person you are renting from!

Tink10
04-01-2006, 09:19 AM
I just read on mousesavers that the free dining plan was going to be offered starting Aug 13!!! Our ressies are for Aug 6-11. we were going to change them to the 13-18th but i just called disney and they said they dont offer the free dining plan to renters????????? Is this true?



:sad2:

I can't help but wonder how many DVC members who rent their ponts will end up with cancellations. Just one more reason to have "no cancellations" in the rental contract.

JimMIA
04-01-2006, 09:26 AM
:sad2:

I can't help but wonder how many DVC members who rent their ponts will end up with cancellations. Just one more reason to have "no cancellations" in the rental contract.
Yep...I can hear the wailing now!

tigger2on
04-01-2006, 09:28 AM
This is just "free dining" right? I just want to make sure we can still purchase the dining plan which I think is still pretty good for us!

JimMIA
04-01-2006, 09:29 AM
This is just "free dining" right? I just want to make sure we can still purchase the dining plan which I think is still pretty good for us!
Yes, you can still purchase the dining plan. I agree, it's great, especially if you have kids and want to do some character meals.

Alexander
04-01-2006, 09:30 AM
This is just "free dining" right? I just want to make sure we can still purchase the dining plan which I think is still pretty good for us!
Yes, you can purchase the dining plan. They're just not giving it away for DVC stays.

natanya
04-01-2006, 09:39 AM
OK, we are renting points for 7/31-8/4 for 2BR at BWV. Just out of curiosity after all the posts about the free DP with Disney Visa I called and checked.
If we were to change our dates to 8/13 (within the rabge of the offer) and add 1 more day (min. is 5 nights/ we are booked for 4) the cost for the Visa offer would be $4462.80 (with 6 day/hopper for 5 adults). The breakdown on our current plans are:
DVC rental - $1600
6 day hopper - $1251.40
DP (thru DVC) - 759.80

Current total - 3611.20

Even if we add another night to make it the same # as the Visa offer it would be less that the $800 difference.

We come out way ahead renting points. Thank you to all owners for offering this.

sajetto
04-01-2006, 09:43 AM
Are you kidding?????? Free dining is when you purchase a complete package plan through Disney. Renting points is something completely different. You should know that if you are renting points. Bless the person you are renting from!




:sail: I see rough waters ahead for those renting their points. Folks, this is another good reason to have a "no refunds or cancellations" policy.



.................wait a second......is this another April Fools??? ;)

Slakk
04-01-2006, 09:53 AM
I just read on mousesavers that the free dining plan was going to be offered starting Aug 13!!! Our ressies are for Aug 6-11. we were going to change them to the 13-18th but i just called disney and they said they dont offer the free dining plan to renters????????? Is this true?

I decided to do the math

Points to rent 55-65 so @ $10 $550-$650
Same room from WDW - $1700
Savings: $1050-1150

Cost of non-free dining $97.96 a day times 5 = $489.80

I still see a savings of $500+....

littlestar
04-01-2006, 09:58 AM
When you stay on DVC points and purchase the dining plan, you are NOT required to buy tickets. As a lot of DVC members are annual passholders, this makes sense.

This new "cash" package Disney has offered means you pay rack rate for your room, you purchase tickets for EVERYONE in your party, and then you get the free dining plan. Disney probably offered it because it's hurricane season and most kids are back in school. I think they offered this same deal last year if I remember correctly.

I would break it down and do the math. See which one is the better deal for your particular situation. Whether you need tickets or not would be a big deciding factor for me. Plus, the rack rate on a deluxe resort is not cheap.

disneyobessed
04-01-2006, 10:16 AM
so true......

katied
04-01-2006, 10:36 AM
I just did the math myself. I'm renting points, plus buying tickets and the dining plan. But the price I was quoted by disney is $2,800 for my 6 nights vs. the $2,100 cost for everything including the point rental. So I'm still ahead $700. Renting points was clearly a great bargin, even if I have to pay for the dining plan.

cobbler
04-01-2006, 10:46 AM
Not only will you still save but your accodations are better as well.

DebbieB
04-01-2006, 10:48 AM
The real discounts with the free dining is staying at the value resorts. The discount of free dining is much better than if they offered a 20% or 30% discount. When you move up to deluxe resorts, a percentage discount deal may have been better. For example, if you have 2 adults, a $100 AP discount at a deluxe would be better than free dining ($76).

disneyobessed
04-01-2006, 01:43 PM
didnt realize one question would create such a problem. next time i wont even ask... and NO i wont be cancelling my reservations through my renter.... I do realize im saving a ton of money renting and yes i do appreciate it.

rinkwide
04-01-2006, 02:28 PM
Don't let the subtle elitism bother you. Just know that most members do appreciate renters like yourself and aren't bothered by your questions. You all add tremendously to the value of our DVC memberships.

JimMIA
04-01-2006, 02:48 PM
Don't let the subtle elitism bother you. Just know that most members do appreciate renters like yourself and aren't bothered by your questions. You all add tremendously to the value of our DVC memberships.
What he said. You asked a legitimate question. You weren't expecting anything, you were just asking if it was available. Don't be afraid to ask questions. You shouldn't get a snotty response, but if you do, just balance it against all the other people trying to help.

I don't rent points (I HOG them all for myself!), but I also appreciate renters because you provide an option that I may want to use somewhere down the road.

twinklebug
04-01-2006, 03:12 PM
didnt realize one question would create such a problem. next time i wont even ask... and NO i wont be cancelling my reservations through my renter.... I do realize im saving a ton of money renting and yes i do appreciate it.

No - do not be afraid to ask a question.
Yes - you are saving money by renting DVC
if - you compare apples to apples (Deluxe accomodations, meal Plan, ticket options)

IF you are looking for the cheapest option available... you need to compare the cost of a value resort room w/free dining against a studio DVC rental for the same time period with the option of eating in (OK, no stove in a studio, but there's a toaster and a micro-wave) and add in the amt you'd plan on spending on eating out.

It's a no-brainer for me. As I cannot fathom ever staying in a value - DVC wins hands down.

sajetto
04-01-2006, 03:14 PM
It's a no-brainer for me. DVC wins hands down.


Same for me ::yes::

I'm an owner, but I've rented before. I know that even if I still booked through CRO and saw that deal with the dining I'd still pick renting points.

Sammie
04-02-2006, 03:13 PM
Don't let the subtle elitism bother you. Just know that most members do appreciate renters like yourself and aren't bothered by your questions. You all add tremendously to the value of our DVC memberships.

I agree that no one should be rude to anyone or any question asked; but I truly did not see any elitism being shown, and remarks such as this I feel contributes to the divide. It's kinda like saying, You don't think it's nice to put down any renters, but you don't have a problem with putting down some members. Seems it would go both ways.

Plus everyone on public forums needs to remember at times comments are not made necessarily to the OP, as a person, but more to the discussion of the particular situation. In this case renters and the Dining Plan. And yes others on other threads, not the OP, have whined and complained that they can't get it if they rent.

According to MS the number of members that rent is small in comparsion to the total membership, so I am not sure "most" members appreciate renters. Most do not not have an opinion.

I am curious though, how does renting add to the value of DVC membership? It might add to your value if you rent, but can't see it adding to those that don't rent. :confused3

JimMIA
04-02-2006, 06:55 PM
I am curious though, how does renting add to the value of DVC membership? It might add to your value if you rent, but can see it adding to those that don't rent. :confused3I would say that anything which increases the flexibility of the use of DVC points probably adds to the value of DVC membership. For example, I don't rent points, nor do I trade out through II, nor do I use many of the other features of DVC. But it's good to know they are there, and they all contributed in a small way to my decision to bite the bullet and buy DVC. I think prospective buyers probably look at DVC the same way -- "I don't plan to rent...but it's good to know that I could if I wanted to take a DCL cruise, etc, etc."

I guess what I'm saying is that some of these options add resale value even if I personally don't use them.

bicker
04-02-2006, 07:33 PM
Yes: Resale value. I think the point, though, that some folks are making is that some things that add to resale value may not add to their own personal value.

Dean
04-02-2006, 09:48 PM
We had this same topic come up last summer & fall. Like many topics on DIS, it's not uncommon for past discussions to color the answers. I know I do this very often and it does come across a little harsh at times when all you're doing is putting the info out there that you know will need to be addressed if you don't add it up front. There was quite a discussion about this issue from both renters and members previously.

rinkwide
04-03-2006, 12:53 AM
...I am curious though, how does renting add to the value of DVC membership? It might add to your value if you rent, but can't see it adding to those that don't rent...That's sort of like saying, "I've never used a lifeboat on a cruise ship so I don't see the value in them."

Options negate uncertainties.

Tink10
04-03-2006, 06:35 AM
Don't let the subtle elitism bother you. Just know that most members do appreciate renters like yourself and aren't bothered by your questions. You all add tremendously to the value of our DVC memberships.

Gee, I really hope nobody interpreted my post in an elitist sort of way..... :guilty:

I rent points to repeat renters, and very much appreciate them. I only commented because I was shocked at the incredible hysteria about the free dining over on the "codes" board. I figured that there would undoubtedly be a few DVCers who rented points & would end up shafted. :guilty:

dianeschlicht
04-03-2006, 07:23 AM
OK, we are renting points for 7/31-8/4 for 2BR at BWV. Just out of curiosity after all the posts about the free DP with Disney Visa I called and checked.
If we were to change our dates to 8/13 (within the rabge of the offer) and add 1 more day (min. is 5 nights/ we are booked for 4) the cost for the Visa offer would be $4462.80 (with 6 day/hopper for 5 adults). The breakdown on our current plans are:
DVC rental - $1600
6 day hopper - $1251.40
DP (thru DVC) - 759.80

Current total - 3611.20

Even if we add another night to make it the same # as the Visa offer it would be less that the $800 difference.

We come out way ahead renting points. Thank you to all owners for offering this.
Yep, but are most renters smart enough to do that math?

bamagirl@hrt
04-03-2006, 09:12 AM
Yep, but are most renters smart enough to do that math?


Well, I don't know about "most". However, with a degree in engineering with a minor in math, I'd say that, Yes, I am. And besides, a contract is a contract, and I would never try to break that with the member I'm renting from.

CarolMN
04-03-2006, 10:04 AM
I think that as a group, renters are a pretty saavy bunch. I think they can do the math. But "FREE" evokes an immediate emotional response in just about all of us.

Many people speak/type before they think it through. Once they do (use math & logic portion of their brains), they calm down. IMHO, that is all that is happening. :)

Someone said Disney is just using a very good Marketing campaign to fill rooms that would otherwise go empty and I agree!!


Best wishes -

waltfan1957
04-03-2006, 02:55 PM
I think that as a group, renters are a pretty saavy bunch. I think they can do the math. But "FREE" evokes an immediate emotional response in just about all of us.

Many people speak/type before they think it through. Once they do (use math & logic portion of their brains), they calm down. IMHO, that is all that is happening. :)

Someone said Disney is just using a very good Marketing campaign to fill rooms that would otherwise go empty and I agree!!


Best wishes -

I think there will be a lot of good deals in future all this renting seems to be leaving empty rooms in none DVC resorts that Disney is going to have to fill somehow

Sammie
04-03-2006, 08:45 PM
That's sort of like saying, "I've never used a lifeboat on a cruise ship so I don't see the value in them."

Options negate uncertainties.

I might can see the options part of it, thanks for pointing that out.

However can't see the life saving aspect of it. :thumbsup2

byoung
04-04-2006, 09:42 PM
You will save renting from a DVC member.

RadioFanatic
04-06-2006, 10:32 AM
You know, this happened to us last year. We rented points and then the free dining came out.

And you know what, I never thought twice about it.

We spent $600 for a week at a BWV studio.
No dining plan was allowed yet for DVC.
And at the end of the week, we spent about $1000 in food and souvenirs and got to eat at Flying Fish Cafe, Fulton's Crabhouse, Hoop de Doo Revue, Liberty Tree Tavern, Brown Derby (fantasmic package) and Bomas. And we even had room service.

So it was less and I would have NEVER been able to be at a deluxe except for the kindness of a renter.

Am I doing the free dining this year? Yes, but I wasn't going to go at all this year and as you will note I'm staying at a value resort - because I couldn't afford the deluxe.