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TeresaNJ
03-28-2006, 01:34 PM
It's my own fault for not planning properly. I have two studios booked at the BCV for Oct 22-28, one for my daughter and her bf, and one for my sister and her friend, and one studio booked at VWL for the same time for my son and his gf. I need a two-bedroom also, but had to wait for the seventh month window for the points to be available to book at BCV as I was borrowing from VWL, but I stupidly did not book day by day. Now it isn't available at either resort, BUT OF COURSE I COULD ALWAYS BOOK AT SSR!!!!! I am really angry right now and I'm just venting. I told the castmember it must be all the SSR people booking at the 7month window, and she gave me some BS about how it's the F&W Festival, yada yada yada. Yea, I know, but this is the first time in five years that I've had a problem booking VWL or BCV at the 7month window. Oh well, live and learn.

lovwdwalot
03-28-2006, 01:40 PM
I told the castmember it must be all the SSR people booking at the 7month window, and she gave me some BS about how it's the F&W Festival, yada yada yada.

the castmember is right, the F&W Fest is sooo popular right now with DVC members that you really do have to book at the 11 momth window if you own at BCV or BWV.I would just give SSR a try, you might just like the resort.

TeresaNJ
03-28-2006, 01:49 PM
I guess I'll have to do that. It's not that I don't like SSR, I just didn't want us all to be split up between three resorts. Honestly, I've booked October for the F&W festival for the last 5 years at either the VWL or the BCV around the 7month window and never had a problem getting it. Well, I'll never wait again if that's where I really want to stay. :confused3

Chuck S
03-28-2006, 01:51 PM
Could it also be BCV owners booking multiple reservations during the priority window? I certainly wouldn't blame the lack of availability solely on the owners at SSR. Some folks book multiple stays at their home resort and cancel at the last minute, or rent them out.

SSR bashing is unproductive, and frankly, tiresome.

1000th happy haunt
03-28-2006, 01:55 PM
I know you said you didn't want the family in three different resorts, but did you check at BWV? It's right across from BCV, so it's not like you'd be too far away from your daughter and sister.

Groucho
03-28-2006, 01:55 PM
You know, it's POSSIBLE...

Just MAYBE...

That the reason that there are rooms at SSR and not at VWL or BCV is because SSR is much larger, so will take longer to fill up?

I don't understand why it's such a shock that the smallest resorts are the ones that are full earliest.

TeresaNJ
03-28-2006, 01:57 PM
Obviously Groucho that makes sense. I'm just surprised that at exactly 7months out I can't get into VWL or BCV when I've NEVER had a problem for the past five years, that's all I'm saying.

pplasky
03-28-2006, 01:58 PM
It's my own fault for not planning properly. I have two studios booked at the BCV for Oct 22-28, one for my daughter and her bf, and one for my sister and her friend, and one studio booked at VWL for the same time for my son and his gf. I need a two-bedroom also, but had to wait for the seventh month window for the points to be available to book at BCV as I was borrowing from VWL, but I stupidly did not book day by day. Now it isn't available at either resort, BUT OF COURSE I COULD ALWAYS BOOK AT SSR!!!!! I am really angry right now and I'm just venting. I told the castmember it must be all the SSR people booking at the 7month window, and she gave me some BS about how it's the F&W Festival, yada yada yada. Yea, I know, but this is the first time in five years that I've had a problem booking VWL or BCV at the 7month window. Oh well, live and learn.

YOU did plan poorly. If you didn't want to split up, why is half your party already at BCV and half at VWL??? Why are you shocked you cannot get an EPCOT resort during the F&W at 7 months. Sorry about the "SSR" people taking up your spot. Next time plan at the 11th window with the points you are entitled to at the resorts you are entitled to, eitherwise live with it. Sorry if I sound harsh, but frankly this type of post is getting wearisome.

TeresaNJ
03-28-2006, 02:00 PM
YOU did plan poorly. If you didn't want to split up, why is half your party already at BCV and half at VWL??? Why are you shocked you cannot get an EPCOT resort during the F&W at 7 months. Sorry about the "SSR" people taking up your spot. Next time plan at the 11th window with the points you are entitled to at the resorts you are entitled to, eitherwise live with it. Sorry if I sound harsh, but frankly this type of post is getting wearisome.

Yes, pplasky, I did plan poorly. I'm shocked that I cannot get into an Epcot resort for the F&W at the 7 month window because I never had a problem until this year.

TeresaNJ
03-28-2006, 02:02 PM
Also, half our party is split because that is how they wanted it. Some wanted to stay at VWL while others wanted to stay at BCV. It was purposely booked that way. :)

sajetto
03-28-2006, 02:04 PM
Sorry if I sound harsh, but frankly this type of post is getting wearisome.


Yep, the sky is falling again. :rolleyes: Sorry to say it, but the DVC boards are starting to suck b/c of all this SSR bashing. I used to love to come over here every day to see the new happenings, but now I stay more on the weddings and community boards b/c there is less drama. Obviously, when I came back to check today...the SSR phase isn't over yet.


Good day :wave2:

browniemtb
03-28-2006, 02:06 PM
Get on the wait list.......you'll get in don't worry.

CarolA
03-28-2006, 02:08 PM
Last year at 8 months I had to waitlist for part of my Oct days at BCV which were right about the same time you are going..... I learned. This year I did it at about 10 months. (I am not good at counting) Got what I wanted without a problem. (My waitlist did clear without any problem)

DVC Sadie
03-28-2006, 02:17 PM
Could it also be BCV owners booking multiple reservations during the priority window? I certainly wouldn't blame the lack of availability solely on the owners at SSR. Some folks book multiple stays at their home resort and cancel at the last minute, or rent them out.

SSR bashing is unproductive, and frankly, tiresome.


:thumbsup2 ITA. Since when has someones POOR planning on their part become SSR DVC owners fault! Actually, I have had enough. Some of these people are acting like 2 year olds in full blown temper tantrums. :sad2:

DebbieB
03-28-2006, 02:18 PM
You probably should have tried a day by day, then you would have been on an equal footing with the non-BCV members.

bobbiwoz
03-28-2006, 02:24 PM
At 10 1/2 months out I had to waitlist for a SV studio BWV for 10/22, so I think it IS the F&W. That waitlist came through, and I'm guessing that if you get on the waitlist right now, the BCV 2 bedroom will open up for you.

Bobbi :)

NYBlue1
03-28-2006, 02:31 PM
With all the talk of how aweful SSR is its no wonder that nobody wants to book there. It does seem however that that is changing, there is another thread on here started by a SSR owner that has many many good things to be said about SSR by many diffrent posters. My guess is that as people are being "forced" to stay in the evil SSR they will see that is a good place to stay and that it will become a desired place to stay. Its so evil I just purchased another 130 pts there yesterday by the way! :woohoo:

If the rumors do come to pass, and I even spoke to a guide that had heard the rumblings on the disney end of things that the contemparary will have DVC options soon than we will have another resort on top of a park that all the people that MUST be on top of a park to have a good time can book. :banana:

The more years I spend going to Disney the more I am appreciating being away from the parks when not in them . Im sure that others feel that way and if not yet may in the years to come. :sunny:

SSR is a very nice resort and if given a chance will be just as loved as all the rest. :love:

As for the epcot resorts being booked right away for the food and wine fest, well sure , they are right next to the reason you may be going at this time. Another thing to take into account is that im sure Disney sits on resales from time to time, if they have sold more resales that were not active for a bit that too will bring a bigger influx of people into the resorts that may have been dormant for a while. The populatrity of the even has grown too, as with most succesful events, perhaps more rentals are occuring as well! :confused3

This too shall pass, and everybody will have a new resprt to complain about soon enough im sure, than the SSR soap opera will be a thing of the past! :cool1:

elijahpep
03-28-2006, 02:33 PM
:thumbsup2 ITA. Since when has someones POOR planning on their part become SSR DVC owners fault! Actually, I have had enough. Some of these people are acting like 2 year olds in full blown temper tantrums. :sad2:
Thank You Sadie.......Someone has finally stated the obvious.

pumpkinboy
03-28-2006, 02:35 PM
I feel your pain, TheresaNJ!!!
I spaced last week, and instead of booking Presidents' Day 2007 day-by-day, I only realized later in the week that I needed to book it all. And then I find that all fo the BWV Std View 2BRs for the Sun, Mon & Tues nites of that week are all booked: all this at 11 months minus 2 days! Ouch!!! I still managed to book the weekend nights and the Weds, but I am waitlisted now for the Sun, Mon and Tues nights.

Of course this is not your situation, since in this case it's alll BWV owners booking at 11 months. The CM assured me that they would very likely come thru, but I booked a BW view as a backup (I know, nice backup, isn't it).

We're skipping F&WF this year :sad1: but I am hoping to be back for it in '07. So I am hoping that our BWV ressies clear up before November so we can free up those points for 11 month ressies.

Good luck, TheresaNJ. I too would be disappointed with MS losing two studio nights my party needed. I hope the BCV portion of the party is reunited via the waitlist soon. :goodvibes

DrTomorrow
03-28-2006, 02:37 PM
To the OP - sorry to hear about your situation; it might be a blessing in disguise, as I've read many trip reports where the author ended up wishing that his/her family was at another resort! ;)

Keep in mind, however, that this is one case where the size of SSR is not an issue, just the total number of DVC owers; even if they'd built 3 resorts each 1/3 the size of SSR, F&W is popular, and at 7 months a point is a point is a point....

As for dvcmember#13's delightful post, let's review:

First post on DIS: Yes
Only post on DIS: Yes
Joined DIS just to make this post: Yes
Generic, dead-horse-beating SSR bashing: Yes
We have a system were the largest resort is the least popular. [...]As it stands now when people call member services and request a room, SS is quite often the last choice.

I'm thinking :scratchin TROLL....

IMHO - YMMV - Be well

TeresaNJ
03-28-2006, 02:39 PM
I'm not saying SSR is awful, in fact I think it is a beautiful resort and the rooms are gorgeous. I just didn't want to stay there because I'm not a big fan of Downtown Disney, and it's not close to any of the theme parks. Other than that I think it's great, LOL. Actually, I did just book a 2bedroom at SSR since I couldn't get in at BCV, VWL or BWV.

Groucho
03-28-2006, 02:40 PM
Like I said...

Of course, the smaller resorts will fill up first.

It's purely conjecture to assume that SSR is the least popular. Unless you have proof of such statements, you should probably not make them. Your theory would only be valid if all the resorts were exactly the same size.

**removed quote from banned user**

phorsenuf
03-28-2006, 02:42 PM
Honestly, I've booked October for the F&W festival for the last 5 years at either the VWL or the BCV around the 7month window and never had a problem getting it.

Well I know in 5 years all my kids will be out of school allowing me to be more flexible in when I go. I would love to go to the F&W but it doesn't work into school vacations.

Perhaps as the years go by more and more people are getting that empty nest and having that freedom.

Just a thought......

CarolA
03-28-2006, 02:48 PM
Since I own at SSR, BCV and OKW I think I am pretty qualified in saying that ALL of them are fine. If I have to stay someplace other then my first choice I don't find in necessary to complain.

To folks who think that SSR is making this board mean. Nope, it's always been that way. I spend a lot of time on the DIS and I find the DVC board to be amoung the roughest. (outside of the Katrina board which I ran from) I feel sorry for DVC newbies who get on here.

If you don't agree with a poster about "how horrid" the resort is expect to be trashed. (I have been told by another poster that he/she would be glad to "break your legs so you need a wheelchair" Charming isn't it?)

lts862
03-28-2006, 02:52 PM
For a points based system to work, all the resorts need to be equaly popular. Prior to SS, there was a pretty even demand for the resorts, that balance has now been thrown off. We have a system were the largest resort is the least popular. Because non SS owners fear having to spend their vacations at SS, they are booking their home resorts farther in advance. This will continue as long as we have more people trying to use SS points at other resorts, then we have other owners wanting to stay at SS. As it stands now when people call member services and request a room, SS is quite often the last choice. The bottom line is, plan ahead or your only option will be SS.

Oh Pul-eeze!! :rotfl2:

Here we go again!

dianeschlicht
03-28-2006, 02:53 PM
And if the most popular resort WAS the largest, it just might not be so popular anymore. That was not a well thought out statement. The charm of VWL and BCV just might be their lack of size.

TeresaNJ
03-28-2006, 02:54 PM
If you don't agree with a poster about "how horrid" the resort is expect to be trashed. (I have been told by another poster that he/she would be glad to "break your legs so you need a wheelchair" Charming isn't it?)

OMG, those are some very harsh words. Geez, I was only venting because I was mad at my own stupidity. I hope I didn't come across as bashing SSR because I'm not. I just wish I wanted to stay there as much as I like to stay at VWL, BCV or BWV.

senecabeach
03-28-2006, 02:55 PM
Teresa....

And the good news is...........

party: YOU'RE going to DISNEY !!!! party:


It'll be just "GREAT" !!!!!!
No matter where you stay...I'm looking forward to trying out ALL the resorts..... :woohoo:

lts862
03-28-2006, 02:56 PM
If you don't agree with a poster about "how horrid" the resort is expect to be trashed. (I have been told by another poster that he/she would be glad to "break your legs so you need a wheelchair" Charming isn't it?)

You have got to be kidding! :sad2:

TeresaNJ
03-28-2006, 03:05 PM
Teresa....

And the good news is...........

party: YOU'RE going to DISNEY !!!! party:


It'll be just "GREAT" !!!!!!
No matter where you stay...I'm looking forward to trying out ALL the resorts..... :woohoo:


You're so right. Funny, now that I'm being "forced" to stay at SSR, I'm actually feeling a little excited about it. It's that "trying out something new" feeling. I'm not going to waitlist for the other resorts. I hate having things up in the air. I'll ask my sister and my daughter if they want to change over to SSR, and if they don't, that's okay. We can still meet up like we had planned. It's not like we spend every minute together anyway. :)

sajetto
03-28-2006, 03:07 PM
Ahoy Captain Obvious! :sail: ;)


I'm so glad someone is finally putting a stop to this.

I'm looking forward to enjoying the boards again :banana:

NYBlue1
03-28-2006, 03:17 PM
If you don't agree with a poster about "how horrid" the resort is expect to be trashed. (I have been told by another poster that he/she would be glad to "break your legs so you need a wheelchair" Charming isn't it?)


Oh my God, I cant believe that! Well actually I can believe it but you know what I mean! Thats really really sad and pathetic, Im sorry somebody said that to you Carol , that makes me Livid ! :furious:

Anthony1971
03-28-2006, 03:23 PM
Since I own at SSR, BCV and OKW I think I am pretty qualified in saying that ALL of them are fine. If I have to stay someplace other then my first choice I don't find in necessary to complain.

To folks who think that SSR is making this board mean. Nope, it's always been that way. I spend a lot of time on the DIS and I find the DVC board to be amoung the roughest. (outside of the Katrina board which I ran from) I feel sorry for DVC newbies who get on here.

If you don't agree with a poster about "how horrid" the resort is expect to be trashed. (I have been told by another poster that he/she would be glad to "break your legs so you need a wheelchair" Charming isn't it?)


And the reason I stopped reading much less posting anything….
My cousin wants to stay at BC on our next trip –they have their own points, for the first time we all decided to go as a family—I refuse to stay there for the simple reason as to I witnessed first hand how some of the people who stay there treat the CM and it is sad as the resort has a lot to offer but I would rather be in remote part of SSR or OKW then see someone bash a CM because there exact wants were not met…. I like to enjoy my vacations… I deal with enough bashing the rest of the time…..

LIFERBABE
03-28-2006, 03:45 PM
Ahoy Captain Obvious! :sail: ;)


I'm so glad someone is finally putting a stop to this.

I'm looking forward to enjoying the boards again :banana:


:rotfl2: :rotfl: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

Get em Dump Sista! :rotfl2:

shantay1008
03-28-2006, 03:55 PM
Teresa, I don't think CarolMN was talking about you in her post; she was talking about other experiences with posters who got slammed.

I think most people here realize that you were disappointed when you posted, and who here hasn't had plans not work out the way they'd hoped? But the great thing is that you quickly rebounded, and will have the opportunity to get to know SSR.

And now, lest I get yelled at again for being too "personal," I'll bring a factual question into play: Does anyone know if the number of visitors to WDW in general has gone up? I've read on here that the numbers took a large dip after 9/11, and were bound to go up again, but do the longtimers think they've surpassed pre 9/11 days? Or do you just think specific events are getting more well-known and popular? (There, pops, are you happy?)
Shannon

edit: sorry, I meant CarolA

tomandrobin
03-28-2006, 04:00 PM
My two cents....

Food and Wine Festival has gotten really popular with DVC members! Its going to get harder and harder as special events grow. Also, I'm sure the Halloween events are also impacting DVC resorts as owners take advantage of that too.

We are going this year and staying at SSR by choice. Waitlist BCV, I would think there is still a good chance to get in. Either way, enjoy the Food and Wine Festival!! I know we will!! At the end of the day, I don't think it will make that much of a difference. Its the Food and Wine festival you are there to see.

Maybe I'll see you at SSR! :thumbsup2

Take care! :wave2:

TeresaNJ
03-28-2006, 04:01 PM
I absolutely think the specific events are getting more popular, and I do think attendance has gone up quite a bit since 9/11. Now that I think about it, the five years I had no problems booking at the 7month window were all post 9/11, so maybe that does have something to do with it. Not to mention my big mouth, I can't stop telling people how great it is to go to WDW in October. :teeth:

dianeschlicht
03-28-2006, 04:02 PM
Shantay, I do think the crowds are past the pre 9/11 levels. I think a lot of folks who delayed vacationing for several years are heading out in force now, and the crowds are showing up. I also think folks are learning to enjoy the various "Disney yearly" events too. That just means that Disney has done a good job of marketing their product.

conciergekelly
03-28-2006, 04:10 PM
Everyone is on equal ground at the seven month mark. SSR though it will be big ,isnt even sold out. I don't know how many owners there are of SSR right now but I bet it doesnt equal the BWV total owners? It isn't just people who own at SSR that trade out some may not be trading at all. It is all resorts especially at F& W. I have been going for years to F&W and it seem busier and busier each time.I also think that new owners want to try them all at first then settle into one that suits them best. I did that and I like SSR the best. Just because some people don't like SSR doesn't mean all won't. But I am sure if they keep it up around here there will be alot more people who simply won't try SSR. I don't get this? :confused3 Buy Marriot if you aren't satisfied By the way...Don't worry I am staying at SSR (booked it at 11 months) and very happy. :cheer2:


edited to say this was not not directed to the OP but to few that seem to :stir: .

LIFERBABE
03-28-2006, 04:19 PM
I absolutely think the specific events are getting more popular, and I do think attendance has gone up quite a bit since 9/11. Now that I think about it, the five years I had no problems booking at the 7month window were all post 9/11, so maybe that does have something to do with it. Not to mention my big mouth, I can't stop telling people how great it is to go to WDW in October. :teeth:

Theresa, great to see you are feeling about it! It's funny, we brag about how great WDW/DVC is and then when people start showing up en masse, we get frustrated! LOL! I do the same thing!

Don't forget, SSR has a really great spa and they do AWESOME pedicures.

I also agree, that WDW attendence has increased since 9/11. They couldnt give rooms away right after, but the last 2 years the changes have been astounding. F&W was increased by a couple of weeks, because it is so popular. The codes and promotions are all but dried up. There was a report last year that the major theme parks reported record increases in attendence.

Plus we have caused quite a panic on these boards by telling everyone to book as soon as their window opens up, so that's what people are doing. I bet there are more Dis DVC members/lurkers than there are not. Especially the newest members who have had access to internet search engines to research their purchase and DVC. The secret is out! so book accordingly. :goodvibes

Simba's Mom
03-28-2006, 04:21 PM
OMG, those are some very harsh words. Geez, I was only venting because I was mad at my own stupidity. I hope I didn't come across as bashing SSR because I'm not. I just wish I wanted to stay there as much as I like to stay at VWL, BCV or BWV.
I understand you're probably really maddest at yourself, but hopefully everything will work out. A few years ago (pre-SSR for those of you keeping track) I called at 11 months minus a few days (I can't believe I missed the exact window date) and I found out that the resort I couldn't book until 7 months was already full (thanks to the nice CM who checked "just out of curiosity). It didn't surprise me-this was for early December, a SV at BWV. Yet, when I called back at 7 months, it was available! So you never know what's gonna happen with "the resort shuffle". Also, I see you've never stayed at SSR. Well, once we got "stuck" at OKW because nothing else was available, so we (kind of) reluctantly stayed there. After one night, DH became an OKW lover, to the point where he won't stay anywhere else now. So who knows what the future holds. Besides, like someone said, it IS Disney!

chris1gill
03-28-2006, 04:21 PM
Uh, I own at BW & I've been trying to get an October reservation there since the 8 month mark.... I'm on the waitlist... availability was in short supply before the seven month mark, so I'd not go blaming people for your planning dilemma.... just like I'm not blaming all the other BW owners for booking the weekend that I need.....

gppnj
03-28-2006, 04:23 PM
I figured BCV would be difficult if not impossible to book at the seven-month window in October, but I wouldn't have thought VWL would be totally unavailable then.

But I guess I'm partially to blame. I'll be in one of those VWL rooms during that time. :)

fishermouse
03-28-2006, 04:26 PM
It's my own fault for not planning properly. I have two studios booked at the BCV for Oct 22-28, one for my daughter and her bf, and one for my sister and her friend, and one studio booked at VWL for the same time for my son and his gf. I need a two-bedroom also, but had to wait for the seventh month window for the points to be available to book at BCV as I was borrowing from VWL, but I stupidly did not book day by day. Now it isn't available at either resort, BUT OF COURSE I COULD ALWAYS BOOK AT SSR!!!!! I am really angry right now and I'm just venting. I told the castmember it must be all the SSR people booking at the 7month window, and she gave me some BS about how it's the F&W Festival, yada yada yada. Yea, I know, but this is the first time in five years that I've had a problem booking VWL or BCV at the 7month window. Oh well, live and learn.
I'm so sick of hearing about all "SSR people" gues what we're buying points and paying dues. At seven months we'll stay where we feel like staying. So either book early, sell you points and get out or learn to live with it.. Maybe we don't like all you other DVC's using our bus to get to DD. Sorry folks but I'm sick of all the whinners, Personally I would never stay at BW or BC to many snobs...

fishermouse
03-28-2006, 04:32 PM
Also, half our party is split because that is how they wanted it. Some wanted to stay at VWL while others wanted to stay at BCV. It was purposely booked that way. :)

Edited myself... blood was boiling when I wrote it! Sorry SSR bashing got the best of me. Actually I sounded pretty dumb :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl2:

CarolA
03-28-2006, 04:36 PM
You have got to be kidding! :sad2:

Oh no! I am not kidding. (This was becasue I got a handicapped room and didn't think the world was coming to an end!)

I have a very good friend who won't post anymore because the one time she said SSR was not a good fit for her family it was HORRID. People called her names etc... This is a family that plans ahead and has a good number of points and is very helpful. She has disappeared becasue of the "hate" PMS etc after saying SSR was not right for thier family.

pumpkinboy
03-28-2006, 04:37 PM
snip...Not to mention my big mouth, I can't stop telling people how great it is to go to WDW in October. :teeth: Oh, so it's you we should be blaming for those October crowds then. ;)
Actually, this will be the first October in several years that we haven't been to WDW, and I'm really gonna miss those F&WF special things. Not that we've ever managed to make it to any of the really cool events, what with two little ones. Maybe in some future year...

Glad you've turned the corner on the plans TheresaNJ! Have fun!

n2mm
03-28-2006, 04:46 PM
I figured BCV would be difficult if not impossible to book at the seven-month window in October, but I wouldn't have thought VWL would be totally unavailable then.

But I guess I'm partially to blame. I'll be in one of those VWL rooms during that time. :)

This was my first year booking a DVC resort for October and had been warned by veterans how difficult it would be getting an EPCOT resort, so I passed on it. I booked the VWL studio for 12 nights and never had to waitlist at all (Oct.15-27). I also booked a studio for 5 nights mid-vacation for my daughter and family and no problem getting her ressie either. I did the day by day reservation as I was warned to do. I have never done the day by day and found it stressful, especially the weekend wait. In the past I booked at the end of the trip/7 month date and when I booked my April trip I got the BWV/standard studio for 12 nights and didn't book day by day and got it in one call. I found out later that that was very lucky of me. I had been watching the boards and did see that BCV has members waitlisted before the 7 month window, so knew that would not work for us.

TeresaNJ
03-28-2006, 04:48 PM
Probably did not want to listen to you whine about the evil SSR all week!

NO need to be ignorant!!! :rolleyes: Actually, the rest of the party doesn't even know that I wasn't able to get a reservation at the other resorts. I also never said that SSR was evil. Maybe you should read all the posts before you comment.

mikesmom
03-28-2006, 04:54 PM
I really think 9/11 does have something to do with the feeling that it is more crowded! Almost every time there is a "buy where you want to stay" thread and someone says "I never have trouble booking at 7 months/6 months/5months" I look at when they joined DVC if it is on their signature and Yep, they joined right after 9/11. Well folks, you could get in anywhere in the first years after 9/11 - people were pretty freaked about traveling. Travel has increased pretty steadily since then.

Frankly as an "old timer" I remember when it was tough to get into almost anything onsite at Disney at certain times of the year, if you didn't book a year in advance! And I include regular hotels at rack rate in that statement.

And the OP is right about the Food & Wine Fest. We all have big mouths. DH and I used to use that as our little private getaway without kids and without work. We raved about it so much we ended up with friends and family wanting to go with us. This year we have relatives in the 2 bdrm with us and friends in a 1 bdrm. (And yes, I booked right at 11 months!) Now I'm whining that we need to get there a couple days early or stay later just to have our personal down time. My own fault. :teeth:

fishermouse
03-28-2006, 04:58 PM
NO need to be ignorant!!! :rolleyes: Actually, the rest of the party doesn't even know that I wasn't able to get a reservation at the other resorts. I also never said that SSR was evil. Maybe you should read all the posts before you comment.

SORRY!! Actually I edited out the qoute you listed before reading your last post. your right very ignorant. Besides your from Jersey you can't be all bad. But I'm sure most SSR owners will agree the fact that we are constantly bashed and blamed for everything that goes wrong at any DVC resort is getting old. My apologies to all who were offended. I'm usually very jolly :banana:

fishermouse
03-28-2006, 05:02 PM
Almost every time there is a "buy where you want to stay" thread and someone says "I never have trouble booking at 7 months/6 months/5months" I look at when they joined DVC if it is on their signature and Yep, they joined right after 9/11. Well folks, you could get in anywhere in the first years after 9/11 - people were pretty freaked about traveling. Travel has increased pretty steadily since then.
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That date is when they joined the disboards. I just found the board about a year ago..

Amy&Dan
03-28-2006, 05:08 PM
NO need to be ignorant!!! :rolleyes: Actually, the rest of the party doesn't even know that I wasn't able to get a reservation at the other resorts. I also never said that SSR was evil. Maybe you should read all the posts before you comment.

Fishermouse edited that post about two minutes after you responded! My, this one got heated in a hurry!

I hope you have a great vacation, I have been reading all these SSR threads with interest lately as I own 400 points there and couldn't be happier. I almost feel guilty I booked BWV for our April trip. I thought after two trips to SSR it would be nice to try something different. I had no idea unitl I began to recently visit this board that was a "no no" and that we SSR people were taking away somebody else's candy so to speak! Incidentally, I booked BWV in April during the Flower and Garden thing, 6 months out, standard view, one bedroom no problem. This whole debate just seems crazy to me. And I am amazed it doesn't get brought up more often that occupancy levels at WDW are up in general at all the resorts.

Sammie
03-28-2006, 05:11 PM
Could it also be BCV owners booking multiple reservations during the priority window? I certainly wouldn't blame the lack of availability solely on the owners at SSR. Some folks book multiple stays at their home resort and cancel at the last minute, or rent them out.

SSR bashing is unproductive, and frankly, tiresome.

Thank you for a voice of reason. Without hard facts, no one knows for sure why the OP was not able to book at 7 months.

As Chuck said it could be many factors, one of which; many people on these forums have really played up how wonderful it is to go to Food and Wine and stay at the BW or BC. Also you have Mickey's Halloween Party. More people are going to Disney right now that they have in years.

Also I really think there is a huge increase in renting and members booking prime weeks in advance to rent them out.

That practice bothers me more than any SSR member booking; as they are within their right to use their membership to book where ever they want. However members are not within their rights to use their membership for commercial purposes.

I find it interesting that the topic of Commercial Renting and it's effect on 7 month bookings is never mentioned much around here. :confused3

Candace
03-28-2006, 05:26 PM
For you old timers (on the boards, I mean) like me, this sounds very reminiscent of the BWV/OKW debates that used to get quite heated! Many of those posters got so angry that they were asked to leave or banned. I hope that doesn't happen again. Of course, SSR was just a gleam in DVD's eye at that time, so we had no way of knowing that this sort of thing would continue. I guess when another large resort opens which is not (GASP!!) attached to a park, we may see the naysayers of SSR fade away and complain about the new one instead. I, for one, no longer spend the majority of my Disney time in the parks. I have not yet tried SSR, but I plan to and look forward to it.

skelooch
03-28-2006, 06:40 PM
As someone already pointed out, its not about SSR, it's about the increased DVC membership ( i'm told now about 100,000 ), I believe it was between 70-80K when I purchased in 2002. It just happens that most of those new members are SSR owners, so they get the bad rap for filling up other resorts at the 7 month window, I don't think it's about the resort.
I remember all the negative posts and reports about BCV, and I would get angry because it was where I owned. Now it's the most difficult resort to buy, either from Disney or re-sale, so I feel like I made a good investment.
I'm sure the same thing will happen when they begin selling the next DVC Resort, whatever and wherever it is.

The moral of the story is, as DVC membership continues to increase it is going to become more and more important to book at the 11 month window.
It's a shame but it's going to be a fact of life.

lovwdwalot
03-28-2006, 06:56 PM
And if the most popular resort WAS the largest, it just might not be so popular anymore. That was not a well thought out statement. The charm of VWL and BCV just might be their lack of size.

The CHARM of BCV is SAB and being so close to Epcot too, If you read most of the threads of new members who buy SSR the main reason to stay at BCV is because they have small children and they want to try SAB.Not thats a bad thing!

byoung
03-28-2006, 06:58 PM
Do the waitlist, hope it comes through for you.

kimberh
03-28-2006, 07:12 PM
I just booked VWL and they had the first and last week of October available with multiple choices of units, even 2 bedrooms. I did not want F& W I just wanted October. I booked the whole ressie at one time, no day by day.

skreger
03-28-2006, 07:22 PM
Wow! What will all the VWL and BCV owner's do now their resort is full in October? Surely not book into SSR and take away booking opportunities for SSR owners. No, surely not! :rolleyes1

Well, I guess if they would sink that low, Halloween is in October, maybe they could wear a costume and mask so no one will recognize them as they go slumming. :clown: pirate:

TeresaNJ
03-28-2006, 09:20 PM
Wow! What will all the VWL and BCV owner's do now their resort is full in October? Surely not book into SSR and take away booking opportunities for SSR owners. No, surely not! :rolleyes1

Well, I guess if they would sink that low, Halloween is in October, maybe they could wear a costume and mask so no one will recognize them as they go slumming. :clown: pirate:

Gee, I guess I should feel honored that your first post after joining in May 2004 is in response to my thread. :rolleyes: No one feels staying at SSR is slumming. You people take things too personally. It is a matter of preference and taste. I personally do not like the BWV, just stayed there a few weeks ago, and am staying again the first week of June and am trying to switch resorts for that one.

I will just have to be disciplined enough to book my reservation at the 11 month window when I want to stay at VWL or BCV. I know I'll have no problem booking SSR at 7 months, so I don't have to worry about that one. :rolleyes2

chipscinderelly
03-28-2006, 10:30 PM
TeresaNJ - I really hope your wait list comes through!

Lest I be attacked (not by you - by the SSR haters) I will tell you we are SSR owners who are booked at BWV for 10/21 and then at BCV 10/26 forward. Normally we'd stay wherever available, however, this trip is not only the DVC member cruise but also our wedding on 10/28 at the Yacht Club. I am surprised that we are several pages into this thread and NO ONE has mentioned those dates sandwich the DVC Member Cruise which is probably also a reason it's been a bit challenging to get reservations around that time. The cruise is 10/22 - 10/26 and I know many members are staying pre or post cruise.

I am booking day by day and had to waitlist for the 26th for the types of rooms we want. I'm hoping well all come off the waitlist as others finalize their plans.

Best of luck to you!

TeresaNJ
03-28-2006, 10:33 PM
SORRY!! Actually I edited out the qoute you listed before reading your last post. your right very ignorant. Besides your from Jersey you can't be all bad. But I'm sure most SSR owners will agree the fact that we are constantly bashed and blamed for everything that goes wrong at any DVC resort is getting old. My apologies to all who were offended. I'm usually very jolly :banana:

Thanks Fishermouse. I apologize for blaming the SSR members for my not being able to get my reservation at the 7 month window. You're right, it is equal to all of us at that time. I am mad at myself for not booking sooner. I have never blamed any member for anything that goes wrong at any resort. That's just silly. Who knows? Maybe I'll end up loving SSR, although my husband hopes not, as he's not ready to buy more points at this time!

TeresaNJ
03-28-2006, 10:39 PM
Oh, good luck to you, chipscinderelly!! I'm sure you're wedding will be lovely. What a great time of the year to get married at Disney! We are staying October 22-28. I don't think I'm going to waitlist though. We'll just keep our SSR 2bedroom, and I'm switching over one of the studios from the BC for our daughter. My son is going to keep his at VWL and my sister is keeping hers at the BCV. I hate not having things finalized in advance, so the wait list will make me too nervous. Plus, this gives me a chance to try out SSR. :)

skreger
03-28-2006, 10:49 PM
During last year DVC had a promotional incentive to people who added-on 120 or more points. It included 100 bonus points. It seemed to be a very popular incentive. All those bonus points DVC gave away are now being used and its taking a toll on availability, especially during popular event times.

TeresaNJ, I hope you have a wonderful vacation.

Ms.Mouse
03-28-2006, 11:15 PM
Maybe we don't like all you other DVC's using our bus to get to DD. Sorry folks but I'm sick of all the whinners, Personally I would never stay at BW or BC to many snobs...[/QUOTE]

Hey!!!!!!!!! Be nice now.... It's not nice to make hasty generalizations :sad2:
I don't think I'm a snob at all. I can't tell you how hard I have to work to pay for my tiny 180 pts. at the BW (something I've wanted for years but couldn't afford it (and yes, I wish I had enough $$$ to have bought a few more points).AND the reason why I chose to pay more to be where I wanted to be is because I fell in love with the BW area and I never cared for the DTD/PI area.) I don't think that would make me a snob. As long as I can book in my 11 mo period, I don't care whether you come in to BW or not. If I don't book on time, so what, I get to stay at SSR, OKW etc.... what a hardship to leave the NE to come down to :sunny: Florida and have to stay at another resort :rotfl: (even though I'd prefer my own).

Dean
03-29-2006, 05:58 AM
And this is why we tell people to buy where they prefer to stay . I've posted a lot about SSR and the 7 month window, not because I am upset in any way, but simply because there are realities at work here. And actually I think it's a subset of the SSR owners that will end up getting the short end of the stick. IMO, we're already to the points where members are better planning their home resort reservations making less availability at the 7 month window FOR EVERYONE and there is increased competition at the 7 month window for the fewer available units. And also less availability even for a home resort for one that doesn't book day by day. And given that BCV, BWV & VWL have always been harder to book than the rest (with a couple of time and unit type exceptions) no reason NOT to expect this to get worse with more people in the system.

However, I think we'll see a major outcry from a subset of the SSR owners in a few years. Many that were sold on the 7 month window or bought assuming they would be able to consistently stay elsewhere will be upset. There will be slower times when it will work out and there are strategies for putting yourself ahead of the other people also vying for the 7 month window. IMO, these are simply realities. I've also predicted more and more of these threads of "I couldn't get what I want at 7 months" or even "I missed the 11 month window and now can't get what I want at my home resort".

tomandrobin
03-29-2006, 06:32 AM
Hey, has anyone even mentioned the baby boommer effect! I have "friends" who are boomers, kids are finally out of the house. These "friends" seem to have alot more free time to stop and smell the roses.

Also, I agree with the post 9/11 crowds. I thought I read that the past year was the best in attendance since 9/11. And travel in general is way up.

:sunny:

browniemtb
03-29-2006, 06:48 AM
I'm amazed at the reaction to this post. I agree that you should buy where you want to stay motto. We recently purchased and our guide explained that if you buy at SSR we still have the ability to get into the Epcot area at the 7 month window. She explain SSR costs less both up front and in dues, also F&F was going on. After explaining this to the DW we both decided to bite the bullet and buy BWV. Glad we did. I do believe that some SSR owners, not all, buy in to keep there costs down and book elsewhere...which is their perogitive. I've read some posts about people looking to buy into VB because the point cost was low but never really intend on using that resort. It comes down to planning and utilizing the 4 month advantage plus some luck. I booked a 1 bedroom at BWV with a 8 days before arrival...you just never know. Its going to get worse before its get better...thats for sure.
Brownie

dvc-NE
03-29-2006, 07:24 AM
IMO, we're already to the points where members are better planning their home resort reservations making less availability at the 7 month window FOR EVERYONE and there is increased competition at the 7 month window for the fewer available units.

However, I think we'll see a major outcry from a subset of the SSR owners in a few years. Many that were sold on the 7 month window or bought assuming they would be able to consistently stay elsewhere will be upset.


Dean: What do you think the odds are that DVC will change the booking window, or maybe just change the booking window for MEGA resort owners? Matt

crisi
03-29-2006, 07:25 AM
And actually I think it's a subset of the SSR owners that will end up getting the short end of the stick.

Its a subset of all owners who are getting the short end of the stick. I feel somewhat more sorry for a VWL owners who really likes BCVs - but it wasn't open when they joinged - than for an SSR owner who plunked down five figures without doing enough research to discover the resale market and this place.

I really believe that most of us are content at our home resort and can book before the seven month window opens or content anywhere as long as its Disney and can book at least three months out. Those people will have few problems - and I truly believe that is the VAST majority of us. The subset which is likely to be disappointed is people who prefer the smaller resorts, but who don't like their own home resort. And it really doesn't matter if you own VWL and hate it, but love the Epcot area, or own OKW but always want to stay at VWL, or are an SSR owner who likes BCVs.

The other thing I see happening is the conflict between people who bought where they want to stay, book early, and stick there, and the people who want the flexibility of moving around. If BCV is owned primilary by people who wouldn't dream of moving (like Beca), that further limits the availability there for people who think the program should be about moving around. It is an owners right to book early and not move - just like it is any members right to book any DVC resort once the seven month mark passes. But it always surprises me how many people think I should use my points in the way they think I should use my points.

keishashadow
03-29-2006, 07:53 AM
Slightly OT but, here goes...

Based on my pesonal experience, DVC MS staff is discouraging members from booking day-by-day @ the 7 month mark. It was suggested that I wait untill the last day I wanted became available & then book.

Glad I didn't take that advice, since I'm still WL'd for 1st day on my linked reservation over Columbus day in October.

Interestingly enough though, there was a room avail. @ cash/DVC disc. that they offered me for that night. Yes, I did take it but, still hope the WL comes through.

Oh yeah, I kept my res. I made @ one of my home resorts too. IMO, it's strategic planning - although I've been accused of hogging a room I probably won't be using.

As for occupancy, obviously tourism is rebounding, especially @ WDW. I was unable to secure my 1st choice of accom. @ Deluxe resorts for late June & Oct. several months ago. Still waiting for AP rates (if any) for June but, the AAA's were mostly gone already.

Call it what you want/fault her planning, choice of DVC home resort, etc. The OP is disturbed that she didn't get the ressie she wanted. I would be too, regardless of why. Can't blame her for feeling upset. She doesn't need to rationalize/justify why she's unhappy, she just is.:confused3

Dean
03-29-2006, 08:09 AM
Dean: What do you think the odds are that DVC will change the booking window, or maybe just change the booking window for MEGA resort owners? Mattalmost none because it doesn't matter. They have no reason to change it either way until maybe nearing 2042. It really doesn't matter if home resort or non home resort owners complain. Home resort has a 4 month advantage. None home resort had no guarantees.

Dean
03-29-2006, 08:20 AM
Its a subset of all owners who are getting the short end of the stick. I feel somewhat more sorry for a VWL owners who really likes BCVs - but it wasn't open when they joinged - than for an SSR owner who plunked down five figures without doing enough research to discover the resale market and this place.

I really believe that most of us are content at our home resort and can book before the seven month window opens or content anywhere as long as its Disney and can book at least three months out. Those people will have few problems - and I truly believe that is the VAST majority of us. The subset which is likely to be disappointed is people who prefer the smaller resorts, but who don't like their own home resort. And it really doesn't matter if you own VWL and hate it, but love the Epcot area, or own OKW but always want to stay at VWL, or are an SSR owner who likes BCVs.

The other thing I see happening is the conflict between people who bought where they want to stay, book early, and stick there, and the people who want the flexibility of moving around. If BCV is owned primilary by people who wouldn't dream of moving (like Beca), that further limits the availability there for people who think the program should be about moving around. It is an owners right to book early and not move - just like it is any members right to book any DVC resort once the seven month mark passes. But it always surprises me how many people think I should use my points in the way they think I should use my points.While everyone wanting to reserve at 7 months out is in the same boat, the sheer number and also percent of owners is going to be higher at SSR than certainly BCV, BWV and VWL. And I would agree that the percent that own those 3 resorts is likely a higher percent of owners who bought to stay there most of the time shifting the numbers even further. Plus, as I've noted previously, They really are a zero sum group for the most part. If one owns BWV and gets BCV at 7 months out, there is no additional availability. If they take OKW, SSR, VB or HH, that frees up a unit at the one of those 3. Many times if they don't get what they want, often at one of the other 2, they keep their existing reservation.

fishermouse
03-29-2006, 08:22 AM
[COLOR=Blue]I will just have to be disciplined enough to book my reservation at the 11 month window when I want to stay at VWL or BCV. I know I'll have no problem booking SSR at 7 months, so I don't have to worry about that one. :rolleyes2

Don't be so sure about SSR being available at 7 months year round. Right now it's still not sold out, plus lots of new folks feeling thier way around. The busy seasons will probably fill up in all the resorts, just like the hotels do. I can remember not long ago if you wanted to go to WDW during prime seasons you had to book at least a year out for hotels. DW and I travedl off season, kids are grown so there is no reason to fight the crowds. This may change if/when we get some grandchildren to take. I have a feeling sumer and special events are going to require the 11 month window no matter where you stay. For the smaller resorts you may have trouble getting the best dates long before the 7 month period. At that point it will be the larger resorts that have an advantage.. Hope I'm wrong! I'll be missing FW this year but you can bet next year I'll be booking at 11months. Going to HH this fall we had no trouble booking at 7 months... Hope everything works out for your trip.

Dean
03-29-2006, 08:35 AM
Don't be so sure about SSR being available at 7 months year round. Right now it's still not sold out, plus lots of new folks feeling thier way around. The busy seasons will probably fill up in all the resorts, just like the hotels do. I can remember not long ago if you wanted to go to WDW during prime seasons you had to book at least a year out for hotels. DW and I travedl off season, kids are grown so there is no reason to fight the crowds. This may change if/when we get some grandchildren to take. I have a feeling sumer and special events are going to require the 11 month window no matter where you stay. For the smaller resorts you may have trouble getting the best dates long before the 7 month period. At that point it will be the larger resorts that have an advantage.. Hope I'm wrong! I'll be missing FW this year but you can bet next year I'll be booking at 11months. Going to HH this fall we had no trouble booking at 7 months... Hope everything works out for your trip.I sure you're quite correct for certain room types (GV) and times of the year. However I think it's reasonable to expect SSR to be the last resort to book up at WDW, just ahead of OKW.

dizmomof2
03-29-2006, 08:40 AM
The parks and resorts are definitely getting busier. Occupancy went up 11% in 2004 and a further 6% in 2005. Revenues went up 21% for the parks and resorts last year. (see, I did read the shareholders annual report :teeth: )

I don't think that it is just DVC that's getting harder to book, I think it's the whole resort. With the economy turning around it is bound to get even busier.
:confused3

tomandrobin
03-29-2006, 08:58 AM
I don't think that it is just DVC that's getting harder to book, I think it's the whole resort. With the economy turning around it is bound to get even busier.
:confused3

Seems we need a recession to get things back in order, I guess.

crisi
03-29-2006, 09:08 AM
I sure you're quite correct for certain room types (GV) and times of the year. However I think it's reasonable to expect SSR to be the last resort to book up at WDW, just ahead of OKW.

Yep, its not a popularity question, its a supply question.

Not all DVC members plan 7+ months in advance. Not all of them plan six months in advance. Some take trips with two or three months notice. Because SSR has more supply, its most likely that it will be the resort that is easiest to book late.

This has been the case with OKW before SSR opened, and OKW will continue to have rooms available past the point that BCV does (speaking generally - there will be exceptions). It doesn't mean people don't like the resort, it just means that there are more of those rooms available.

People seem to want to take this personally. They think that because BCV books up early, it must be a superior resort. It doesn't necessarily mean that.

Let's say I have two bands playing at two venues. Both are equally popular bands. One is playing at a large Civic Center like venue. The other is playing at a venue with 1/4th the seats - like maybe an older concert hall. Which will book first? This is the problem some people have with DVC in this whole thing - the role of the concert promoter in this case was to find venues adequate for the bands popularity. In one case the venue may be too big and you can buy tickets the day of the concert. In the other case, the venue may be too small and if you didn't call the day the tickets went on sale, you'll be buying from a scalper.

Now popularity will make things more complicated - if the band in the small venue is much more popular than the band in the large venue - the promoter really misbooked. If the band in the small venue is more obscure than the band in the big venue, maybe they will both sell out at about the same time. But since we can't really measure popularity fairly around here, its (in my opinion) best to get rid of the noise and assume equal popularity. It probably isn't accurate (from watching posts here, I suspect BCV - slightly larger than VWL - is also slightly more popular than VWL - it appears to GENERALLY book faster and VWL seems to be a love/hate thing where BCVs has a more general appeal), but it keeps things from getting personal.

Jen D
03-29-2006, 09:13 AM
The other thing I see happening is the conflict between people who bought where they want to stay, book early, and stick there, and the people who want the flexibility of moving around. If BCV is owned primilary by people who wouldn't dream of moving (like Beca), that further limits the availability there for people who think the program should be about moving around. It is an owners right to book early and not move - just like it is any members right to book any DVC resort once the seven month mark passes. But it always surprises me how many people think I should use my points in the way they think I should use my points.

::yes::

Of course there is no reason for the two groups to be in conflict if everyone understands the booking windows, that everything is based on availability, and what the limitations of the program are.

People who loooove their home resort take staying at your home resort deadly seriously. I'll sometimes read here someone saying in a scandalized voice about another poster, or someone they met in the hot tub, "this person owns at XYZ resort and has never even STAYED there!" And I'm thinking.... um, so?

BWYWTS is important if you really want to stay at the same place everytime. For people like me who don't want to stay at the same resort for 40-50 years, it's "Buy Someplace You Like Staying." I would never have bought SSR if I didn't like it. But I admit I would probably never have bought into DVC if it hadn't been for the possibility of booking into other resorts as well. I don't think this is unique to me as an SSR owner, I know perfectly well from reading this board for five years that many people like staying at different resorts each trip.

I also bought with the knowledge that availability at the seven months can be limited so it is best to book home resort first, and to never count on any dates until you have the ressie in hand.

I'm sorry to keep posting about this, but I'm tired of feeling guilty for wanting to trade out occasionally. Besides, I'm going need everyone's advice if I'm going to auto-waitlist to get a ressie at VWL for President's Week 2007. :thumbsup2

crisi
03-29-2006, 09:34 AM
There is no logical reason to be in conflict - and yet the thread about charging relatives has people in it that seem SCANDALIZED that anyone would charge their relatives to stay at DVC. Now, whether I charge my sister $4 a point, $10 a point, nothing at all, nothing and pay for her tickets/airfare/food, or charge the difference between a one and two bedroom really doesn't have any impact on anyone but me and my sister. This one - a persons decision to ALWAYS stay at home - does. So there will be conflict. It will be the next great eternal "how much should points rent for" debate. I'm looking forward to it.

pouncingpluto
03-29-2006, 11:35 AM
BWYWTS is important if you really want to stay at the same place everytime. For people like me who don't want to stay at the same resort for 40-50 years, it's "Buy Someplace You Like Staying." I would never have bought SSR if I didn't like it. But I admit I would probably never have bought into DVC if it hadn't been for the possibility of booking into other resorts as well. I don't think this is unique to me as an SSR owner, I know perfectly well from reading this board for five years that many people like staying at different resorts each trip.


You put this very nicely. I don't think we would have bought DVC at all, at *any* resort, if we thought we were buying into ONE resort. Our perspective was that we were buying into the system. SSR is very nice, and we will have a great time when we do stay there, but we have always enjoyed staying in various WDW resorts pre-DVC ownership and intend to continue to do so. The only difference is that now we will mainly stay at various DVC resorts.

I'm sorry if this is at odds with the perspective of other owners, but neither perspective is wrong.

TeresaNJ
03-29-2006, 11:49 AM
You put this very nicely. I don't think we would have bought DVC at all, at *any* resort, if we thought we were buying into ONE resort. Our perspective was that we were buying into the system. SSR is very nice, and we will have a great time when we do stay there, but we have always enjoyed staying in various WDW resorts pre-DVC ownership and intend to continue to do so. The only difference is that now we will mainly stay at various DVC resorts.

I'm sorry if this is at odds with the perspective of other owners, but neither perspective is wrong.


I love VWL so much that I would stay there every time if I could. I like the BCV, mostly because they are next to Epcot and MGM. I don't feel as relaxed there as I do at VWL though. I like the BCV over the BWV for the fact that it is quieter, and it is easier to access the main and quiet pool from all areas of the BCV. I hate the way BWV is laid out, and only stay there if VWL or BCV isn't available. I love OKW, but don't like that I can't qet to a park or a pool quickly. I'll have to see about SSR. Anyway, that is my order of booking. I now am planning on booking for October 2007 at the BCV exactly at the 11 month window, as well as for December 2007 at VWL again exactly at the 11 month window. Not gonna let this happen again! :)

shantay1008
03-29-2006, 11:58 AM
Our strategy is to enjoy as many DVC resorts as we can for as long as we can, and then if the day comes when we can only stay at our home resort (SSR) we will graciously accept that, but will pester management to death to get the second themed pool, ice cream place, activities, etc., to make it the most incredible resort ever so we won't miss the other resorts. ;)

[This next bit is totally OT, but is chipscinderelly still reading? When we were at BCV in Feb., my dad and DS7 went off on their own to rent a boat. My dad later told me that my son was totally enthralled by a wedding party at the Yacht Club. I forget if the wedding was actually taking place or if they were just taking pictures, but he thought it was sooo cool. I know it's a little early to start planning, but you'd think with four kids, one of mine would want to get married at Disney....:) Have a wonderful time!]

waltfan1957
03-29-2006, 12:40 PM
[QUOTE=pumpkinboy][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=3][COLOR=OrangeRed]I feel your pain, TheresaNJ!!!
I spaced last week, and instead of booking Presidents' Day 2007 day-by-day, I only realized later in the week that I needed to book it all. And then I find that all fo the BWV Std View 2BRs for the Sun, Mon & Tues nites of that week are all booked: all this at 11 months minus 2 days! Ouch!!! I still managed to book the weekend nights and the Weds, but I am waitlisted now for the Sun, Mon and Tues nights./QUOTE]

Damm we can't blame SSR owners for this, who can we blame now! oh I know its them BWV owners oh no thats us

yitbos96bb
03-29-2006, 03:13 PM
Yes, pplasky, I did plan poorly. I'm shocked that I cannot get into an Epcot resort for the F&W at the 7 month window because I never had a problem until this year.

THat's understandable. Although Hidnsight being 20/20, a LOT of people bought in during F and F at SSR. So the number of people competing for those spots has gone way up over the course of the last year.

I assume you will also waitlist correct? Maybe you will get lucky. It could be worse... You could trying to waitlist christmas to NY week. (Which I will be attempting to do in a few months to see if I can switch from my SSR reservation... obviously not holding out hope.)

DrTomorrow
03-29-2006, 06:17 PM
[...] This one - a persons decision to ALWAYS stay at home - does [impact me]. So there will be conflict. It will be the next great eternal "how much should points rent for" debate. I'm looking forward to it. Wheeeee! Now, because I bought into SSR, love SSR, find that SSR meets our needs and plan on staying almost exclusively at SSR, I could be a villian! :darth:

Fear me, Oh DVC Owners, for I am your worst nightmare: A Satisfied SSR Owner! Bwahahahaha!

:lmao: :rotfl2: :rotfl:

Sammie
03-29-2006, 06:30 PM
Totally disregarding who owns where, at 7 months everyone is equal.

At what point will the system be overloaded with members and does break down as far as booking?

I mean how many members can it handle and even a small percentage get what they want?

NYBlue1
03-29-2006, 06:37 PM
Wheeeee! Now, because I bought into SSR, love SSR, find that SSR meets our needs and plan on staying almost exclusively at SSR, I could be a villian! :darth:

Fear me, Oh DVC Owners, for I am your worst nightmare: A Satisfied SSR Owner! Bwahahahaha!

:lmao: :rotfl2: :rotfl:

We are starting to form a real empire count me in!!!! http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i7/NYBlue1/vader.gif

chipscinderelly
03-29-2006, 10:04 PM
[This next bit is totally OT, but is chipscinderelly still reading? When we were at BCV in Feb., my dad and DS7 went off on their own to rent a boat. My dad later told me that my son was totally enthralled by a wedding party at the Yacht Club. I forget if the wedding was actually taking place or if they were just taking pictures, but he thought it was sooo cool. I know it's a little early to start planning, but you'd think with four kids, one of mine would want to get married at Disney....:) Have a wonderful time!]

I am still reading and that is wonderful to hear! I hope one of the four makes that decision!

TeresaNJ - I chuckled to myself with all the resorts your family will be staying at during your trip, it sounded like a great way to vacation and still have some time apart! We really enjoy SSR and I hope you do as well!

mark&sue
03-30-2006, 07:32 AM
I think I could be to blame!!!!

I booked 14 nights at SSR at our 11 month window. We love SSR but as we always stay for two weeks as we come over from UK we like to have split vacations. We are taking two other families with us from the UK.

I therefore phoned day by day and got a two bedroom at BCV for October 23rd, 24th and 25th. These are the last three days of our vacation. The first 11 will be at SSR.

I booked two afternoons off work (even had to remember we had our daylight savings a week before you so are currently 6 hours ahead) and phoned two minutes before MS opened. I had to do all the extra numbers phoning from abroad. I got it but the whole planning exercise has been thought out many many months in advance. We love SSR but do not envisage spending two to three weeks there all in one go every year for the next 48!!!

I have so far used points to go to Disneyland Paris and do an II exchange. We do however plan to stay at least one week at SSR every year. We love the location.

Sorry if I took anyone's dates!!!


Susan

TeresaNJ
03-30-2006, 07:35 AM
chipscinderelly, my brother got married last June at the Poly on Sunset Point. Thought maybe you'd like to take a look at the pics. Here is the link:

http://www.collages.net/disneyweddings/
User Name: Sulzbach / Christopher Wedding
Password: 1971
Make sure you enter the User Name exactly as typed, with the spaces before and after the slash.


Also, here is a link to the thread where I have more wedding pics posted. We stayed at the VWL if anyone is interested at looking at some pics.http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=865718&highlight=brother%27s+wedding

As far as an update on where we are all staying in October, I called my sister yesterday, and now she wants me to switch her to Saratoga Springs also, as she doesn't want to be by herself at the BCV. Her husband can't go as he's a teacher and won't be able to get off from school, but her friend wants to go, but my sis isn't confident that her friend won't back out at the last minute. My son and his gf are still staying at VWL, lucky ducks!!

Dean
03-30-2006, 09:03 AM
for I am your worst nightmare:LOL, no, just very lonely.

Didney Daddy
03-30-2006, 09:09 AM
I have read the park attendance is up significantly amongst die hard Disney fans in 2005 and so far into 2006. The economy is better and there are folks like us who really love the Food and WIne Festival at Epcot. Demographics are changing at the parks too. Of course there will always be a million kids there but now there is an ever increasing percentage of adults or groups of adults in the parks without kids. Especially Epcot. Just wander World SHowcase around dinner time and marvel at the lack of kids and the abundance of 20 somethings on up.


I think it is going to get more crowded there as time marches on.

Jen D
03-30-2006, 09:48 AM
I booked two afternoons off work (even had to remember we had our daylight savings a week before you so are currently 6 hours ahead) and phoned two minutes before MS opened. I had to do all the extra numbers phoning from abroad. I got it but the whole planning exercise has been thought out many many months in advance.

Sounds like you deserve the dates! :) What a pain!

Enjoy!

chipscinderelly
03-30-2006, 12:18 PM
chipscinderelly, my brother got married last June at the Poly on Sunset Point. Thought maybe you'd like to take a look at the pics.

As far as an update on where we are all staying in October, I called my sister yesterday, and now she wants me to switch her to Saratoga Springs also, as she doesn't want to be by herself at the BCV. Her husband can't go as he's a teacher and won't be able to get off from school, but her friend wants to go, but my sis isn't confident that her friend won't back out at the last minute. My son and his gf are still staying at VWL, lucky ducks!!

Thank you so much for those photos - they are awesome!

As for October I hope your sister's friend firms up and comes - SSR is so beautiful. And your son and gf are lucky ducks!

FranP
03-30-2006, 01:38 PM
DS and his DFi are taking the Western Caribbean Disney Cruise this October for their honeymoon and I was able to get a 1BR at VWL for Oct. 18 thru Oct. 21 and a studio with a Boardwalk View at Boardwalk Villas for Oct. 28 this week with no problem!!!!! I guess I was just lucky (or they were just lucky LOL)!!!!

La2kw
03-30-2006, 03:53 PM
It's my own fault for not planning properly. I have two studios booked at the BCV for Oct 22-28, one for my daughter and her bf, and one for my sister and her friend, and one studio booked at VWL for the same time for my son and his gf. I need a two-bedroom also, but had to wait for the seventh month window for the points to be available to book at BCV as I was borrowing from VWL, but I stupidly did not book day by day. Now it isn't available at either resort, BUT OF COURSE I COULD ALWAYS BOOK AT SSR!!!!! I am really angry right now and I'm just venting. I told the castmember it must be all the SSR people booking at the 7month window, and she gave me some BS about how it's the F&W Festival, yada yada yada. Yea, I know, but this is the first time in five years that I've had a problem booking VWL or BCV at the 7month window. Oh well, live and learn.


Just because you own at both resorts does not mean that your WLV points should give you a priority at BCV. Only your BCV points will do that. I think it's the F&W that has created the demand for BCV, not SSR. I had no problem booking BCV at the 7month window for this July. I even added two more nights about 2 weeks ago with not problem, and that's just 4 months out. Blaming SSR for not getting what you wanted is not fair.

La2kw
03-30-2006, 04:00 PM
You probably should have tried a day by day, then you would have been on an equal footing with the non-BCV members.


True, but because she is using WLV points at the BCV, she is already on equal footing with non-BCV members. Having some points at BCV does not mean that her WLV points have a higher priority at BCV than someone else's SSR, OKW, HHI, VB, or BWV, or WLV points. Only the BCV points have the priority at BCV. Complaining that SSR owners are using their points at BCV is ridiculous because she is doing the same thing with her WLV points.

La2kw
03-30-2006, 04:06 PM
Teresa, I don't think CarolMN was talking about you in her post; she was talking about other experiences with posters who got slammed.

I think most people here realize that you were disappointed when you posted, and who here hasn't had plans not work out the way they'd hoped? But the great thing is that you quickly rebounded, and will have the opportunity to get to know SSR.

And now, lest I get yelled at again for being too "personal," I'll bring a factual question into play: Does anyone know if the number of visitors to WDW in general has gone up? I've read on here that the numbers took a large dip after 9/11, and were bound to go up again, but do the longtimers think they've surpassed pre 9/11 days? Or do you just think specific events are getting more well-known and popular? (There, pops, are you happy?)
Shannon

edit: sorry, I meant CarolA


I think the crowds have surpassed pre 9/11. Last summer was the most crowded I have ever seen the parks, and we went many times before 9/11. We had little tolerance for the crowds last summer. Thankfully we were able to head back to our great room at SSR and relax in a quiet atmosphere away from the craziness.

TeresaNJ
03-30-2006, 05:57 PM
Just because you own at both resorts does not mean that your WLV points should give you a priority at BCV. Only your BCV points will do that. I think it's the F&W that has created the demand for BCV, not SSR. I had no problem booking BCV at the 7month window for this July. I even added two more nights about 2 weeks ago with not problem, and that's just 4 months out. Blaming SSR for not getting what you wanted is not fair.


I'm not blaming SSR per se, what I'm saying is that I never had a problem getting in at the 7 month window before, and so was assuming that there are a greater influx of people trying to get into BCV, BWV and VWL at the 7 month window than ever before because of people who bought at SSR and don't want to stay there. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just my perception. I think it is most likely true that the majority of DVC owners would prefer to stay at BCV, BWV or VWL than SSR. Again, I could be completely wrong.

DebbieB
03-30-2006, 06:53 PM
True, but because she is using WLV points at the BCV, she is already on equal footing with non-BCV members. Having some points at BCV does not mean that her WLV points have a higher priority at BCV than someone else's SSR, OKW, HHI, VB, or BWV, or WLV points. Only the BCV points have the priority at BCV. Complaining that SSR owners are using their points at BCV is ridiculous because she is doing the same thing with her WLV points.

I meant that by waiting until 7 months until her final check-out day left her at a disadvantage because other non-BCV members could have been booking dates in her reservation period before she called. If she would have done day by day she may have had the same chance as any other non-BCV member for the particular dates. She could have also got on the waitlist a few days earlier. Just wanted to point out the option of day by day for busy periods.

mickeyc
03-30-2006, 07:03 PM
Don't beat yourself up too badly for booking at the seven month window. Sometimes it is just not possible to plan that far ahead.

In my case I also own BCV and BWV both are probably the most popular resorts. Last year I made a last minute reservation at SSR and it was very nice. Not as convenient, but nice. I don't think you would be disappointed.

In addition you could book your reservation at SSR and wait list for the two bedroom. I think you would have a fair chance of getting it.

Good luck and enjoy the F & W festivale, it is great.

La2kw
03-30-2006, 08:30 PM
I meant that by waiting until 7 months until her final check-out day left her at a disadvantage because other non-BCV members could have been booking dates in her reservation period before she called. If she would have done day by day she may have had the same chance as any other non-BCV member for the particular dates. She could have also got on the waitlist a few days earlier. Just wanted to point out the option of day by day for busy periods.

I do understand your point. I was just pointing out that using WLV points for a BCV ressie is no different than using any other non-BCV resort points for a BCV ressie. It makes no difference that she owns other points at BCV.

kathrynmtague
03-30-2006, 09:02 PM
I can relate to what you are saying. I always stay at BWV the first week of December - a popular DVC time because overall crowds are low. When I called at the 11 month mark this January (by check-out) the SV 2BR was all sold out! MS told me I should have called each day to book the room. Sure, I have heard on the boards that others do that...but I figured that was more for peak times (spring break, etc.)

I don't know how they figure out how many members they can have and how many rooms they make available to us. I do know that since 1999 I never had a problem booking the room I want (and I pretty consistently book right at the 11 month mark without booking day by day) and this year that was not the case. Yes, I was disappointed and, frankly, I think it's ridiculous that I will have to call in every day (especially when they don't have evening hours every day of the week). But, I don't think there's really anything I can do about it but vent here!

DebbieB
03-30-2006, 09:15 PM
I can relate to what you are saying. I always stay at BWV the first week of December - a popular DVC time because overall crowds are low. When I called at the 11 month mark this January (by check-out) the SV 2BR was all sold out! MS told me I should have called each day to book the room. Sure, I have heard on the boards that others do that...but I figured that was more for peak times (spring break, etc.)

I don't know how they figure out how many members they can have and how many rooms they make available to us. I do know that since 1999 I never had a problem booking the room I want (and I pretty consistently book right at the 11 month mark without booking day by day) and this year that was not the case. Yes, I was disappointed and, frankly, I think it's ridiculous that I will have to call in every day (especially when they don't have evening hours every day of the week). But, I don't think there's really anything I can do about it but vent here!

The number of new members has nothing to do with BWV availability at 11 months. There are not any additional BWV points available this year than the last 2 or 3 years because it is sold out. What is more likely is more members have become wise to the day by day booking. I booked early December from 2000 to 2005 and the last 3 or 4 years booked day by day. Also the word has probably gotten out about how great the beginning of December is. If you want to blame anyone, blame the DIS Boards for letting the secret out! ;)

DrTomorrow
03-30-2006, 11:26 PM
The number of new members has nothing to do with BWV availability at 11 months. There are not any additional BWV points available this year than the last 2 or 3 years because it is sold out. What is more likely is more members have become wise to the day by day booking. I booked early December from 2000 to 2005 and the last 3 or 4 years booked day by day. Also the word has probably gotten out about how great the beginning of December is. If you want to blame anyone, blame the DIS Boards for letting the secret out! ;) Not only getting wise to day-by-day, but to the importance of the 11 month window itself. Over time, there is/will be a gradual movement along the learning curve as people call at 8 or 9 months and get burned at their home resort and pledge to call earlier next time; folks also will learn when the DVC busiest times (FW, FG, Early Dec, etc) and plan accordingly.

Doctor P
03-31-2006, 05:17 AM
The number of new members has nothing to do with BWV availability at 11 months.

Believe it or not, this may not be a true statement for any resort at the 11 month mark. Over the past few weeks, it has occurred to me that it is very possible that the "transfer glitch" problem with points can actually increase the number of points that are usable at a given resort at the 11 month mark. Of course, it is not SUPPOSED to work that way, but it is concievable that it IS working that way.

greenban
03-31-2006, 06:10 AM
Believe it or not, this may not be a true statement for any resort at the 11 month mark. Over the past few weeks, it has occurred to me that it is very possible that the "transfer glitch" problem with points can actually increase the number of points that are usable at a given resort at the 11 month mark. Of course, it is not SUPPOSED to work that way, but it is concievable that it IS working that way.

Absolutely, Positively Correct!

And let me add, Without Question!

-Tony

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TeresaNJ
03-31-2006, 06:30 AM
The thought that I have to call day by day really annoys me. Especially at the 11 month window for busy periods such as early December and for the F&W. I have to be at work at 6:45, and I certainly can't tell my patients "sorry, I need to make a phone call, can you have your asthma attack in about 15 minutes". Maybe if MS made it possible to book online it would be more doable.

Oh well, there is no good answer. I now know what I have to do to ensure I'll be staying where I want to stay when I want to stay there. The one thing I liked about DVC was all the flexibility, but in reality if you can't book at the 11 month window because you're not sure of your dates, then there really isn't much flexibility, unless one wants to go in January or August!

mikesmom
03-31-2006, 07:09 AM
I don't know what will happen, but logically 11 month reservations shouldn't be any harder than they already are. It's the same pool of people at your home resort going after the same number of rooms. I don't think an 11 month day by day scenario is necessary. I booked this year for a 2 bdr and a 1 bdr for the first week of October. We are going to F&W with 2 couples. I booked at about the 10 month scenario and got both rooms with a boardwalk view.

The really high desire periods or rooms will always be a challenge.Once upon a time DVC ran a lottery for New Years Eve. (Maybe it was for Christmas week also, I just don't recall). People were all over these boards complaining about the lottery, saying "If I'm wise enough to plan ahead why should I have to compete for a room against people who didn't, it should be first come, first serve." DVC will never make everybody happy.

The only way we would always be guaranteed a room is if DVC scraps the model and goes back to the old timeshare model - you will always have a room at the same time and place every year. The room is ready, whether it is convenient for you to travel or not. I don't think anybody is up for that.

CarolMN
03-31-2006, 07:21 AM
Believe it or not, this may not be a true statement for any resort at the 11 month mark. Over the past few weeks, it has occurred to me that it is very possible that the "transfer glitch" problem with points can actually increase the number of points that are usable at a given resort at the 11 month mark. Of course, it is not SUPPOSED to work that way, but it is concievable that it IS working that way.I've been concerned about that for some time. Unfortunately, there is no way for anyone to tell if it is happening (or has happened) for a time they are trying to reserve. Due to the numbers of rooms at each resort, this issue is most likely to afect BWV owners who want standard view or Boardwalk view rooms at popular times. JMHO. YMMV.

IMHO, the increased difficulty (perceived or real) of getting reservations at the 11 month mark is primarily due to two factors:

1. Word is getting out that day by day is the way to go.
2. More people are buying add ons at the smaller DVC resorts to get the 11 month advantage. While this does not change the total number of points, it does suggest that reservation patterns may be changing. Those who buy ad ons at the smaller resorts are more likely to reserve day by day at the 11 month mark than were the original owners.

Best wishes -

Dean
03-31-2006, 09:46 AM
Believe it or not, this may not be a true statement for any resort at the 11 month mark. Over the past few weeks, it has occurred to me that it is very possible that the "transfer glitch" problem with points can actually increase the number of points that are usable at a given resort at the 11 month mark. Of course, it is not SUPPOSED to work that way, but it is concievable that it IS working that way.
I think the increased competition has also increased the awareness and effort of owners and encouraged more advanced planning.

As for transfers that bypass the home resorst priority, I doubt that the total of all renting is an issue in the big scheme of things and certainly that the transfer and subsequent use would be an ever more minor impact. But the problem, if any, is really with DVC which should figure out a way to handle this problem, hopefully without stopping transfers.

crisi
03-31-2006, 09:55 AM
Yeah, I agree. I think this is way more important than how warm they keep the pool or if they add a sit down restaurant at SSR....we signed a contract that said things would work a certain way. In the case of the point transfers, they don't work the way they are supposed to, and it is something DVC needs to fix.

But I do see it as a bigger problem than you do. In my mind, if this is exploited even once, whether its for profit or not, that's too many times. Someone has been able to get something they aren't entitled to....and in doing so they've taken something from someone who was entitled to it. That irks my sense of justice.

Doctor P
03-31-2006, 11:03 AM
I think the increased competition has also increased the awareness and effort of owners and encouraged more advanced planning.

As for transfers that bypass the home resorst priority, I doubt that the total of all renting is an issue in the big scheme of things and certainly that the transfer and subsequent use would be an ever more minor impact. But the problem, if any, is really with DVC which should figure out a way to handle this problem, hopefully without stopping transfers.

I was trying to deliberately be sketchy, but I think it is time to put a possibility on the table which I have no evidence is true. It has occurred to me that the reason this "glitch" has not been fixed is that DVC/DVD does not want to fix it. It is POSSIBLE that this glitch is being used in conjunction with developers' points to alter the availability of rooms for cash rental or for short term restocking of stripped contracts. Frankly, I doubt that this is being done, but it seems possible that the powers that be are somehow benefting from this glitch and may choose not to fix it. Again, I hope not and don't think it is the case.

crisi
03-31-2006, 11:15 AM
I think they are benefitting from the glitch in that any systems rewrite to address it will be expensive. I doubt its any more nefarious than that. I suspect there is a second glitch I'd like to see fixed (but don't honestly know it exists) which is that I think when you cancel a room, it goes straight back to inventory. A batch process checks the waitlist. Which means that if a member calls between the time the room has been cancelled and the time the batch runs, they can bypass the waitlist. Someone just reserved a BW View room for F&W at seven months on a single phone call - I can't believe there isn't a waitlist for those rooms - and hasn't been for months! There are far too many stories of "I called to check, and lo and behold, a room was available." That one, if it indeed exists, also triggers my "but, but, that's not fair!"

Dean
03-31-2006, 06:27 PM
I was trying to deliberately be sketchy, but I think it is time to put a possibility on the table which I have no evidence is true. It has occurred to me that the reason this "glitch" has not been fixed is that DVC/DVD does not want to fix it. It is POSSIBLE that this glitch is being used in conjunction with developers' points to alter the availability of rooms for cash rental or for short term restocking of stripped contracts. Frankly, I doubt that this is being done, but it seems possible that the powers that be are somehow benefting from this glitch and may choose not to fix it. Again, I hope not and don't think it is the case.I sincerely doubt that DVC specifically wants this to continue though I'm sure they have discussed it and have decided it's not worth fixing. My assumption is that they'd have to create essentially a new contract for each and every use year and home resort transferred in. This would be quite a chore in terms of time and computer power. I also bet DVC wishes they never allowed transfers.

Happy Birthday Cat
03-31-2006, 08:22 PM
I It has occurred to me that the reason this "glitch" has not been fixed is that DVC/DVD does not want to fix it. It is POSSIBLE that this glitch is being used in conjunction with developers' points to alter the availability of rooms for cash rental or for short term restocking of stripped contracts.

Interesting theory but I think that they decided not to fix the glitch because the cost of fixing it is more than the benefit that they see being gained. But anything is possible, especially when it comes to Disney.....

HBC

kathrynmtague
04-09-2006, 11:50 AM
This conversation is rather interesting - nice to see how a post or two can develop (as I've been in Jamaica for the past week and am only now catching up).

Can someone explain the 11 month glitch? Do you mean when someone books at the 11 month mark with the intention to move to another resort at the 7 month mark, which then opens up availability again? Or, do you mean something else?

DebbieB
04-09-2006, 01:04 PM
This conversation is rather interesting - nice to see how a post or two can develop (as I've been in Jamaica for the past week and am only now catching up).

Can someone explain the 11 month glitch? Do you mean when someone books at the 11 month mark with the intention to move to another resort at the 7 month mark, which then opens up availability again? Or, do you mean something else?

It involves transferred points. Transferred points are supposed to retain their original home resort but when they are transferred they sometimes take on the home resort of the account they are transferred into. For example, you own BWV and someones transfers OKW points to you, they may become BWV too. I don't believe enough people have done this to tilt the overall availability at 11 months. I think people have realized they have to make reservations early and are also using the day by day method.

OrangeFOX4
07-08-2006, 05:22 PM
wow i aunt teresa i didnt know that disney ppl got so offended just because you bash their hotels and stuff. lol. crazy

kimberh
07-08-2006, 09:23 PM
wow i aunt teresa i didnt know that disney ppl got so offended just because you bash their hotels and stuff. lol. crazy
What are you talking about? Are you on the right Thread or did I miss something?

seabright1
07-08-2006, 09:46 PM
To the OP. Tried Saratoga 2 months ago. To me Saratoga is not designed to my expectations. I liked OKW 100 times (or more) better.

MinnieGirl33
07-09-2006, 09:50 AM
Us evil SSRers live to mess with all other owners plans :mad:

Glad to see it's working :stir:

So ridiculous.... :bored:

vascubaguy
07-09-2006, 11:08 AM
Well if it makes anyone feel any better, I own at both OKW and SSR and I wasn't able to get into BWV during F&W... all those darn BWV owners ruined my plans! Can't they book over at BCV and VWL like everyone else...? geez.

:rolleyes1

I Love DVC
07-09-2006, 12:16 PM
If you own at both resorts, why didn't you book at the 11-month window? At the 7-month window, owners have no advantage over non-owners.

OrangeFOX4
07-10-2006, 04:43 PM
What are you talking about? Are you on the right Thread or did I miss something?

yea i am on the right thread. the original poster is my aunt. i dont usually go on the website but i was bored and saw that she posted this. and i just couldnt believe how disney fans flip out over this stuff. amazing

shantay1008
07-10-2006, 09:11 PM
yea i am on the right thread. the original poster is my aunt. i dont usually go on the website but i was bored and saw that she posted this. and i just couldnt believe how disney fans flip out over this stuff. amazing
I remember this thread, too. You need a little contextual info, though. At the time your aunt wrote this, there were a couple of renegade posters who interrupted every thread they could to bash SSR. So, for example, someone would start a thread saying, "Just back from an awesome trip to SSR," and one of these guys would jump in and write, "SSR is ruining DVC, it's horrible, people who bought there are dumb, my life is over because I might have to stay there sometime, etc., etc." (Seriously. They wrote stuff like that.)

As you can imagine, it got a bit old. And that is why some of the posts on this thread may seem a little bit overly sensitive.
Shannon

briar*rose
07-11-2006, 09:02 AM
hi everyone....this is my first post so, please be kind :) I figured this was the best place to ask for advice...

I'm am visiting Disney from Sept. 27th to Oct. 6th. I booked The Animal Kingdom Lodge from 9/27-10/2.

Here is where the 'problem' is.

I booked a 2-Bedroom at the BWV for 10/2-10/6 thru my mother's DVC membership, however we could only get a Preferred View for 10/2-10/5, a day short :(

I am currently waitlisted on 10/6 for a Preferred View and I am also on the waitlist for 10/2-10/6 for a Standard View at BWV....

The reason I am worried is that I always plan the last day of my trip special and I really don't want to have to cut it short...so, do I......

1) Wait, because one or both will most likely come through.

or do I...

2) Cancel my BWV reservations altogether and make new ones at a resort where I can get all of my days.

This is my first time staying at the BWV so I have no experience whatsoever with this resort.

PLEASE HELP!! :)

Granny
07-11-2006, 10:09 AM
hi everyone....this is my first post so, please be kind :) I figured this was the best place to ask for advice...

I'm am visiting Disney from Sept. 27th to Oct. 6th. I booked The Animal Kingdom Lodge from 9/27-10/2.

Here is where the 'problem' is.

I booked a 2-Bedroom at the BWV for 10/2-10/6 thru my mother's DVC membership, however we could only get a Preferred View for 10/2-10/5, a day short :(

I am currently waitlisted on 10/6 for a Preferred View and I am also on the waitlist for 10/2-10/6 for a Standard View at BWV....

The reason I am worried is that I always plan the last day of my trip special and I really don't want to have to cut it short...so, do I......

1) Wait, because one or both will most likely come through.

or do I...

2) Cancel my BWV reservations altogether and make new ones at a resort where I can get all of my days.

This is my first time staying at the BWV so I have no experience whatsoever with this resort.

PLEASE HELP!! :)
Briar Rose....welcome to the DIS Boards! :)

A suggestion....since you are asking a new question, you probably will get more and better responses if you start a new thread here.

But since you asked.... ;)

You are trying to get a room at a very busy time for BWV and BCV. The Food & Wine Festival is going on and the EPCOT resorts book up quickly.

I think you have very little chance of the SV waitlist coming through.

Since the Preferred View waitlist is only for one day I'd think that there's a decent chance that day will come through for you.

I'd hold on to the existing reservation and hope the waitlist pays off for the last day.

My guess is that not every WDW DVC resort will be sold out at that time. So if you get within 60 days or so, you might want to consider switching to another DVC resort like OKW or SSR for that part of the trip.

Good luck...sounds like a fun trip! :thumbsup2

Dean
07-11-2006, 11:04 AM
wow i aunt teresa i didnt know that disney ppl got so offended just because you bash their hotels and stuff. lol. crazyWhile there have been a couple of posters inappropriately bashing SSR, there are also some SSR owners that are OVERLY sensitive. Saying one hates SSR and would never stay the is not bashing. I scanned the thread again and the majority of the rhetorric is appropriate and on target, both ways. Your aunt made mistakes in her approach and people called her on it, she also agreed were her mistakes and I know she learned from them as did likely others that saw this thread as well.

TDC Nala
07-11-2006, 01:26 PM
It was not BS about the food and wine festival, BCV and BWV are where everyone wants to be so they can walk into Epcot.

The festival has gotten more popular with each passing year.

I just booked OKW in November and had to go on a waiting list for one night and there was no studio availability at SSR for the nights I wanted, so it's popular all over. I'm okay with OKW, it's pretty close to Epcot.

Hey, and I booked it with my SSR points, too.

Sammie
07-11-2006, 06:11 PM
Could it also be BCV owners booking multiple reservations during the priority window? I certainly wouldn't blame the lack of availability solely on the owners at SSR. Some folks book multiple stays at their home resort and cancel at the last minute, or rent them out.

SSR bashing is unproductive, and frankly, tiresome.

I have to agree. No one except DVC knows the real reason for the situation.

It could be increased demand for the F&W, Fall Breaks, multiple booking, and renters. So I think while it might be said that 7 month bookings will be harder to come by, I don't think we have the facts to lay the blame.

I think it is fine to say one does not want to stay at SSR. I would feel the same way if only BWV was available.

But I would not blame anyone but myself for waiting too late to book and never would I lay the blame on other owners. We all knew when we bought DVC, we were not guaranteed a room every single time we wanted it, where we wanted. It could happen to any of us at any time. If that does not agree with one, then DVC is not for them.

I don't hate BWV, I understand why others really like it and I can respect that and I know why I don't. I won't try to cram by opinions of it on anyone else. Which is what some of us who like SSR are tired of by some the SSR comments.

disnutt
07-11-2006, 06:50 PM
Could it also be BCV owners booking multiple reservations during the priority window? I certainly wouldn't blame the lack of availability solely on the owners at SSR. Some folks book multiple stays at their home resort and cancel at the last minute, or rent them out.

SSR bashing is unproductive, and frankly, tiresome.


THANK YOU!

sigillaria
07-11-2006, 10:19 PM
Obviously Groucho that makes sense. I'm just surprised that at exactly 7months out I can't get into VWL or BCV when I've NEVER had a problem for the past five years, that's all I'm saying.

5 YEARS is a long time. Things change....BCV and VWL are VERY popular.
Get over it and learn from your mistake. :sad2:

TeresaNJ
07-12-2006, 06:06 AM
5 YEARS is a long time. Things change....BCV and VWL are VERY popular.
Get over it and learn from your mistake. :sad2:

Obviously since I haven't posted on this thread for four months I have gotten over it. I don't need you to be my mother. :confused: Have a Disney day. :tink:

Dean
07-12-2006, 01:28 PM
I have to agree. No one except DVC knows the real reason for the situation.

It could be increased demand for the F&W, Fall Breaks, multiple booking, and renters. So I think while it might be said that 7 month bookings will be harder to come by, I don't think we have the facts to lay the blame.

I think it is fine to say one does not want to stay at SSR. I would feel the same way if only BWV was available.

But I would not blame anyone but myself for waiting too late to book and never would I lay the blame on other owners. We all knew when we bought DVC, we were not guaranteed a room every single time we wanted it, where we wanted. It could happen to any of us at any time. If that does not agree with one, then DVC is not for them.

I don't hate BWV, I understand why others really like it and I can respect that and I know why I don't. I won't try to cram by opinions of it on anyone else. Which is what some of us who like SSR are tired of by some the SSR comments.OF course it's all additive, SSR has simply tipped the scale.

beachblanket
07-12-2006, 01:47 PM
OF course it's all additive, SSR has simply tipped the scale.

Absolutely correct - is SSR completely to blame for the fact (not rumor, FACT) that 7 month ressies at preferred properties are getting harder to get, even during "off season" times? No, but the size and clearly lower attractiveness of that resort has changed what was a "7 month ressies are tricky" situation to "7 months ressies are increasingly impossible" one.

Interestingly, of all the DIS discussion on this matter, what I have yet to see-- and would love to read -- are comments on the matter by DVC ressie CMs.

Think about it - they live and breathe villa ressie requests day in and out, and I'm sure plenty of these people could readily confirm the suspicion Dean and I hold (ergo, said CMs are increasingly having to "disappoint" members by telling them a requested 7 month out ressie is not available).

And what frustrates me is while we aren't hearing this from CMs, I'm sure DVC management is - and is completely aware of the increasingly negative impact of the "buy here, but don't worry, you can always stay at BWV or BVC" message the DVC sales staff is giving to SSR buyers.

Dean
07-12-2006, 01:53 PM
Absolutely correct - is SSR completely to blame for the fact (not rumor, FACT) that 7 month ressies at preferred properties are getting harder to get, even during "off season" times? No, but the size and clearly lower attractiveness of that resort has changed what was a "7 month ressies are tricky" situation to "7 months ressies are increasingly impossible" one.

Interestingly, of all the DIS discussion on this matter, what I have yet to see-- and would love to read -- are comments on the matter by DVC ressie CMs.

Think about it - they live and breathe villa ressie requests day in and out, and I'm sure plenty of these people could readily confirm the suspicion Dean and I hold (ergo, said CMs are increasingly having to "disappoint" members by telling them a requested 7 month out ressie is not available).

And what frustrates me is while we aren't hearing this from CMs, I'm sure DVC management is - and is completely aware of the increasingly negative impact of the "buy here, but don't worry, you can always stay at BWV or BVC" message the DVC sales staff is giving to SSR buyers.
The same thing happened with VB and HH sales later in their tenure. Basically when the $15 per point credit was added, they were simply trying to sell it out.

shantay1008
07-12-2006, 04:26 PM
5 YEARS is a long time. Things change....BCV and VWL are VERY popular.
Get over it and learn from your mistake. :sad2:
Did you actually read the entire thread before putting your two cents in? Just wondering.....

seabright1
07-12-2006, 05:03 PM
Absolutely correct - is SSR completely to blame for the fact (not rumor, FACT) that 7 month ressies at preferred properties are getting harder to get, even during "off season" times? No, but the size and clearly lower attractiveness of that resort has changed what was a "7 month ressies are tricky" situation to "7 months ressies are increasingly impossible" one.

Interestingly, of all the DIS discussion on this matter, what I have yet to see-- and would love to read -- are comments on the matter by DVC ressie CMs.

Think about it - they live and breathe villa ressie requests day in and out, and I'm sure plenty of these people could readily confirm the suspicion Dean and I hold (ergo, said CMs are increasingly having to "disappoint" members by telling them a requested 7 month out ressie is not available).

And what frustrates me is while we aren't hearing this from CMs, I'm sure DVC management is - and is completely aware of the increasingly negative impact of the "buy here, but don't worry, you can always stay at BWV or BVC" message the DVC sales staff is giving to SSR buyers.


Since my recent experience at Saratoga Springs, I agree 100%

HUFF590
07-12-2006, 05:42 PM
While there have been a couple of posters inappropriately bashing SSR, there are also some SSR owners that are OVERLY sensitive

I bet those who are overly sensitive (like myself) about SSR are the ones you least have to worry about booking at other resorts at the 7 month window IMOP.

Chuck S
07-12-2006, 06:15 PM
Absolutely correct - is SSR completely to blame for the fact (not rumor, FACT) that 7 month ressies at preferred properties are getting harder to get, even during "off season" times? No, but the size and clearly lower attractiveness of that resort has changed what was a "7 month ressies are tricky" situation to "7 months ressies are increasingly impossible" one.

Interestingly, of all the DIS discussion on this matter, what I have yet to see-- and would love to read -- are comments on the matter by DVC ressie CMs.

Think about it - they live and breathe villa ressie requests day in and out, and I'm sure plenty of these people could readily confirm the suspicion Dean and I hold (ergo, said CMs are increasingly having to "disappoint" members by telling them a requested 7 month out ressie is not available).

And what frustrates me is while we aren't hearing this from CMs, I'm sure DVC management is - and is completely aware of the increasingly negative impact of the "buy here, but don't worry, you can always stay at BWV or BVC" message the DVC sales staff is giving to SSR buyers.

You expect the DVC guides to not mention the perks and operational parameters of DVC, including the option of booking at 7 months at a non-home resort? Seems kind of silly for them not to present all the advatages of the program, no matter what resort they are selling. Surely you were informed of the ability to book at OKW at 7 months, based on availability, when you took the tour...or did you believe you could stay ONLY where you purchased...no trades anywhere?

If owners are having trouble booking at home resorts during the 7 month window, perhaps they should plan earlier and take advantage of their 11 month booking priority. Those have always been the rules, they were the rules when you bought in and will no doubt continue to be. I really don't think MS CMs care whether an owner books their home resort or not...and in fact, it is not their job or responsibility to care where a member decides to spend their vacation, nor is it their personal business. Their responsibility is to book the members, based upon availability, where ever the members would like to stay, regardless of their home resort. The only time MS should care where you own is during your 11-7 resort priority window.

So what you are really saying is "I am unable to book during my priority window, and I am upset because then I have to take my chances like everyone else." Lack of planning on your part does not constitute any reason to constantly resort bash, nor does your lack of planning in any way become a problem within the DVC system. The system is working the way it was designed to operarate from day one. BTW...you do realize that that 11-7 month window could decrease to a 11-10 month window. All we are guaranteed is a one month priority.

Simba's Mom
07-12-2006, 08:25 PM
If owners are having trouble booking at home resorts during the 7 month window, perhaps they should plan earlier and take advantage of their 11 month booking priority. Those have always been the rules, they were the rules when you bought in and will no doubt continue to be. I really don't think MS CMs care whether an owner books their home resort or not...and in fact, it is not their job or responsibility to care where a member decides to spend their vacation, nor is it their personal business. Their responsibility is to book the members, based upon availability, where ever the members would like to stay, regardless of their home resort. The only time MS should care where you own is during your 11-7 resort priority window.

So what you are really saying is "I am unable to book during my priority window, and I am upset because then I have to take my chances like everyone else." Lack of planning on your part does not constitute any reason to constantly resort bash, nor does your lack of planning in any way become a problem within the DVC system. The system is working the way it was designed to operarate from day one. BTW...you do realize that that 11-7 month window could decrease to a 11-10 month window. All we are guaranteed is a one month priority.
Well said! ITA

Sammie
07-12-2006, 10:18 PM
Originally Posted by beachblanket
Absolutely correct - is SSR completely to blame for the fact (not rumor, FACT) that 7 month ressies at preferred properties are getting harder to get, even during "off season" times? No, but the size and clearly lower attractiveness of that resort has changed what was a "7 month ressies are tricky" situation to "7 months ressies are increasingly impossible" one.

Where are the facts to support that 7 month ressies at preferred (opinion) properties are getting harder to get even during "off season" times?

TCPluto
07-13-2006, 12:35 AM
...the size and clearly lower attractiveness of that resort has changed what was a "7 month ressies are tricky" situation to "7 months ressies are increasingly impossible" one.

I don't think SSR has a lower level of attractiveness. You simply have more people in the system.

I booked a SV 1-BR at BWV at five months for an August trip this year. I've booked the BCV in the past yeat at 5 months.

crisi
07-13-2006, 07:14 AM
Where are the facts to support that 7 month ressies at preferred (opinion) properties are getting harder to get even during "off season" times?


Math and static supply with variable demand - and this isn't SSR bashing - its talking about the size of membership.

Two models to illustrate:

1)

Say you have one resort with 10 rooms, and a second resort with 10 rooms. At seven months 1 person from resort A and 1 person from resort B switch with each other (10%) and everyone is happy.

Say now you have one resort with 10 rooms, another resort with 10 rooms and a third resort with 30 rooms. 10% still switch - 1 from resort A, 1 from resort B, and 3 from resort C (doesn't make any difference where they want to switch to, they just don't want to stay at their home resort)....now we have 4 happy members, and one unhappy member (the 3rd person from C who has nowhere to switch to).

(Now a "destination resort" might reduce the number of people who want to trade out, and increase the number of people who want to trade in. I built a spreadsheet and discovered SSR needs to be 3 times as popular when completed as BCV to create balance. I'm having a hard time believing that that is the case - I agree that BCV being more popular is unsupported opinion (believable to me, but unsupported), but my gullibility meter goes off if anyone tries to tell me that SSR is three times more popular.)


2)

There are less than 200 rooms at VWL. Unless something completely unforseen happens, there will always be 200 rooms at VWL. If 10% of members think "that looks like a cool resort to stay in" and we add 10,000 new members this year - that means we have an extra 1,000 units of demand for VWL.

Unless DVC starts releasing numbers for when resorts book and how many members are disappointed, we don't have facts, we have models. But if you can come up with a model where adding members and creating resorts that are significantly larger doesn't increase demand for the existing smaller resorts, I'd be interested.

Dean
07-13-2006, 08:13 AM
Where are the facts to support that 7 month ressies at preferred (opinion) properties are getting harder to get even during "off season" times?I believe it is fact that 7 month reservations have gotten more difficult at some resorts, some times of the year. I believe it is fact that a higher percentage of SSR members (among others like VB & HH & some OKW) are in the 7 month pool than BWV, VWL & BCV. NOT a problem, just fact. Not having proof does not make it NOT factual however, I feel there has been enough evidence posted on this board of people having trouble for things they didn't have trouble with before, to be enough proof to satisfy most people. And it likely will only get worse because there will be MANY more SSR owners with more points and more importantly, after a couple of trips, many of those owners are likely to want to try other things. Crunch time without another destination resort will start about 2-3 years post total sell out for SSR. EP would make it worse, CR without EP would make it only minimally better.

tomandrobin
07-13-2006, 10:07 AM
Just chiming in here, but I think there are two other things to take into consideration.

First is that in a post 9/11 era people are finally getting more comfortable vacationing in "popular" travel destinations. I think that attendance at Disney has been back on the up swing these past few years.

Second is members are becoming more "timeshare savvy". The understand the system and know how to best take advantage of that system. For example, since BCV and BWV are popular DVC during F&W that members will make ressies at those resorts even if they are not sure they are going to go to the F&W. Kind of like the people who make 3 or 4 ADR's for each night of their stay (which is another sore subject!), just in case if they want to eat a particular restaurant it will be available to them.

I still believe that the system works. Home resort booking is a must. Peak times of the year will be difficult at certain resorts regardless if SSR is there or not. Adding six more resorts will not change "home resort" booking advantage....ever! However, it will put more pressure on you to plan ahead at popular resorts or popular DVC times of year!

Disneyhappy
07-13-2006, 11:55 AM
Disney never guaranteed the ability to book at 7 months out, only between 11 and 7 months. Its sounds like people are upset because they had a better odds before DVC grew bigger.But still, DVC is meeting there promise witht he booking advantage at their home resorts. (Personally, I also think the economy and rebound from 9/11 are a factor as well.)

I don't read the rent boards enough but could another factor be that owners at BCV and BWV reserve the resort strictly for rental purposes? Owners would know the prime time to reserve. Just a thought.

Oh, and I was able to book BVC for 5 nights this August at 5 1/2 months out.

crisi
07-13-2006, 01:25 PM
Disney never guaranteed the ability to book at 7 months out, only between 11 and 7 months. Its sounds like people are upset because they had a better odds before DVC grew bigger.But still, DVC is meeting there promise witht he booking advantage at their home resorts. (Personally, I also think the economy and rebound from 9/11 are a factor as well.)



They don't even guarentee that - this year there were reports of BCV owners frozen out before the seven month window opened for either F&W or early December (maybe both, can't remember). I think VWL have seen this, and, of course, BWV owners are very familiar with "if you want a standard view, don't wait."

I think some people are upset by - not being able to not book - but that DVC didn't keep their interests in mind when they knocked the balance off by creating such wildly different sized resorts. It really doesn't bother me that I can't book my home after the seven month window opens always - or that switching to BCV has become harder. But it does bother me (slightly) that DVC apparently didn't think this through or didn't care when they created a mega-resort. Or, for that matter, when they built VWL as a micro-resort. Other people are upset by what they see as less than honest sales tactics "you can book anywhere at seven months, sure it won't be a problem to stay at BWV in early December."

RweTHEREyet
07-13-2006, 01:42 PM
I think it is really sad that the OP could not just vent and show her frustration at herself for not planning better. If her experience in the past was that she had been able to get the resort she wanted for her timeframe, and then it doesn't happen, let her vent at herself.

Some of you people just got mean and nasty for no reason.

beachblanket
07-13-2006, 02:29 PM
I think some people are upset by - not being able to not book - but that DVC didn't keep their interests in mind when they knocked the balance off by creating such wildly different sized resorts. It really doesn't bother me that I can't book my home after the seven month window opens always - or that switching to BCV has become harder. But it does bother me (slightly) that DVC apparently didn't think this through or didn't care when they created a mega-resort. Or, for that matter, when they built VWL as a micro-resort. Other people are upset by what they see as less than honest sales tactics "you can book anywhere at seven months, sure it won't be a problem to stay at BWV in early December.

Crisi, thank you for an excellent post, and in particular referencing a point I made earlier (the clearly misleading tactics being used by DVC to promote what is inarguably a slow selling, second-tier property). This is happening, and is a factor in the increasing difficulty of getting 7 month ressies.

Dean
07-13-2006, 02:38 PM
They don't even guarentee that - this year there were reports of BCV owners frozen out before the seven month window opened for either F&W or early December (maybe both, can't remember). I think VWL have seen this, and, of course, BWV owners are very familiar with "if you want a standard view, don't wait."

I think some people are upset by - not being able to not book - but that DVC didn't keep their interests in mind when they knocked the balance off by creating such wildly different sized resorts. It really doesn't bother me that I can't book my home after the seven month window opens always - or that switching to BCV has become harder. But it does bother me (slightly) that DVC apparently didn't think this through or didn't care when they created a mega-resort. Or, for that matter, when they built VWL as a micro-resort. Other people are upset by what they see as less than honest sales tactics "you can book anywhere at seven months, sure it won't be a problem to stay at BWV in early December."It depends. They do guarantee a unit at 11 months out, just not necessarily which unit size and time of year. They don't necessarily guarantee what you want.

Contrary to what many believe, this is not a case of a lot of people being upset. I'd say MOST people who are discussing it are doing so as they would any other academic issue. To me, I don't care. I know how to plan 11 months out and know how to maximize my options both at 11 months out and 7 months, likely at the expense of the other members who are not so well informed or willing to play the game.

Beca
07-13-2006, 03:04 PM
They don't even guarentee that - this year there were reports of BCV owners frozen out before the seven month window opened for either F&W or early December (maybe both, can't remember). I think VWL have seen this, and, of course, BWV owners are very familiar with "if you want a standard view, don't wait."

I think some people are upset by - not being able to not book - but that DVC didn't keep their interests in mind when they knocked the balance off by creating such wildly different sized resorts. It really doesn't bother me that I can't book my home after the seven month window opens always - or that switching to BCV has become harder. But it does bother me (slightly) that DVC apparently didn't think this through or didn't care when they created a mega-resort. Or, for that matter, when they built VWL as a micro-resort. Other people are upset by what they see as less than honest sales tactics "you can book anywhere at seven months, sure it won't be a problem to stay at BWV in early December."

Thank you, Crisi!! I couldn't have said it better myself!! This is EXACTLY how I feel. BTW, I was one of the BCV people who were "shut out" of BCV in early December, at 9 1/2 months out. I think people who are renting their points are creating a lot of those problems. BCV rentals go pretty high on ebay for December/Easter, and a lot of owners are beginning to capitalize on that by booking several rooms at that time to rent out on ebay and turn a big profit. Unfortunately, this is another problem created by having resorts of "wildly varying sizes". SSR and OKW will never bring the premium on the "reservation rental" market that BCV/BWV/VWL will because the rooms are more readily available, and the locations are more remote. When you combine size AND the rental market, it can get pretty nasty pretty quickly.

:wave:

Beca

Sammie
07-13-2006, 05:27 PM
I believe it is fact that 7 month reservations have gotten more difficult at some resorts, some times of the year. I believe it is fact that a higher percentage of SSR members (among others like VB & HH & some OKW) are in the 7 month pool than BWV, VWL & BCV. NOT a problem, just fact. Not having proof does not make it NOT factual however, I feel there has been enough evidence posted on this board of people having trouble for things they didn't have trouble with before, to be enough proof to satisfy most people. And it likely will only get worse because there will be MANY more SSR owners with more points and more importantly, after a couple of trips, many of those owners are likely to want to try other things. Crunch time without another destination resort will start about 2-3 years post total sell out for SSR. EP would make it worse, CR without EP would make it only minimally better.

I don't think the accounts that have been shared here that some have had difficulty in booking is enough fact. I am not saying it is not true, but I don't think anyone has the factual information to support it.

We don't know how many have been able to book at 7 months. We have had great success at booking at 7 months and still do.

NMW
07-13-2006, 06:24 PM
They don't even guarentee that - this year there were reports of BCV owners frozen out before the seven month window opened for either F&W or early December (maybe both, can't remember). I think VWL have seen this, and, of course, BWV owners are very familiar with "if you want a standard view, don't wait."

I think some people are upset by - not being able to not book - but that DVC didn't keep their interests in mind when they knocked the balance off by creating such wildly different sized resorts. It really doesn't bother me that I can't book my home after the seven month window opens always - or that switching to BCV has become harder. But it does bother me (slightly) that DVC apparently didn't think this through or didn't care when they created a mega-resort. Or, for that matter, when they built VWL as a micro-resort. Other people are upset by what they see as less than honest sales tactics "you can book anywhere at seven months, sure it won't be a problem to stay at BWV in early December."

I completely agree! We were told many, many times by our guide that it would be NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER to book either BCV or BWV at 7 months in early Dec or anytime in Oct or Nov. Once we told him that an Epcot resort is where we wanted to stay every trip, he pushed SSR as a means to get into those resorts. In fact he told us that we'd "NEVER have to stay at SSR." I believed him (why wouldn't I?) until I discoverd this board and starting reading about how popular those resorts/times of the year were. We would have be devastated if we bought SSR, called at 7 months fully expecting to get into an Epcot resort, and got placed on a waiting list.

We probably would have sold our points (or tried to) and gone back to staying at the BWI or BC. Fortunately we bought a BWV resale and could not be happier. It annoys me that when I want to add points next year I will have to call that same guide who mislead me.

I find it hard to believe that my guide is the ONLY guide who sells SSR this way. I think it's unfair. Also, I don't think it's "bashing SSR" to say that we wouldn't want to stay there. In general we don't like condo-type resorts, that's just our preference. We just stayed in on last week in Myrtle Beach (at my in-laws insistence-plus they were paying :) ) and the entire time I kept thinking "I wish I were in a hotel." :sunny:

BethA
07-13-2006, 07:19 PM
I had posted about a month ago just saying i felt it was harder to book anywhere but SSR and OKW and got bashed for it. I rarely come to this board because it can be very mean to the posters. I stopped by today to look for an answer to a specific question and then saw this thread---OUCH.

I did not read through to the end, but hope you are able to get what will work best for you. It is frustrating when in the past you had no trouble booking and now can't get your home resorts.

We have stayed at SSR and had a bad experience--that is not bashing just what happened to us and we won't try it again.

It is disappointing that the attitiude on this board is so different from many of the others

Sammie
07-13-2006, 07:29 PM
I had posted about a month ago just saying i felt it was harder to book anywhere but SSR and OKW and got bashed for it. I rarely come to this board because it can be very mean to the posters. I stopped by today to look for an answer to a specific question and then saw this thread---OUCH.

I did not read through to the end, but hope you are able to get what will work best for you. It is frustrating when in the past you had no trouble booking and now can't get your home resorts.

We have stayed at SSR and had a bad experience--that is not bashing just what happened to us and we won't try it again.

It is disappointing that the attitiude on this board is so different from many of the others

I don't think the attitude of this board is that different from others.

I don't think you got bashed for voicing your opinion, just that you tried to book 45 days prior. That was the crux of the discussion, not having difficulty at 7 months out.

Chuck S
07-13-2006, 07:34 PM
Again, if folks use their priority window and own at the resort they want to stay at the most, there should be no problem...except for the other folks that own at that resort. It is the way DVC has always worked...VWL, the smallest resort, has always been "iffy" at the 7 month window. As DVC membership grows, smaller resorts will book first. Heck, I was shut of a studio at my home resort (OKW) at 5 months today, so OKW and larger resorts aren't the easiest to book, either.

But, as other posters have reported, some resorts are filling up during the priority window...so maybe it is the BCV and BWV owners that are throwing the system off by booking multiples and renting. You can't blame the larger resorts for that, or the increased membership, you can blame your fellow somewhat "greedy" and inconsiderate owners, as well as kicking yourselves for not booking earlier.

MissD
07-13-2006, 07:48 PM
Again, if folks use their priority window and own at the resort they want to stay at the most, there should be no problem...except for the other folks that own at that resort. It is the way DVC has always worked...VWL, the smallest resort, has always been "iffy" at the 7 month window. As DVC membership grows, smaller resorts will book first. Heck, I was shut of a studio at my home resort (OKW) at 5 months today, so OKW and larger resorts aren't the easiest to book, either.

But, as other posters have reported, some resorts are filling up during the priority window...so maybe it is the BCV and BWV owners that are throwing the system off by booking multiples and renting. You can't blame the larger resorts for that, or the increased membership, you can blame your fellow somewhat "greedy" and inconsiderate owners, as well as kicking yourselves for not booking earlier.


Very well put.

DisneyMomOfThree
07-13-2006, 08:18 PM
Could it also be BCV owners booking multiple reservations during the priority window? I certainly wouldn't blame the lack of availability solely on the owners at SSR. Some folks book multiple stays at their home resort and cancel at the last minute, or rent them out.

SSR bashing is unproductive, and frankly, tiresome.


Well said. :thumbsup2

sigillaria
07-13-2006, 08:30 PM
Did you actually read the entire thread before putting your two cents in? Just wondering.....

No, I did not. I thought I was at the last page and I was in the front...ooops.
I apologize to TeresaNJ. :guilty: :guilty: :guilty:

tomandrobin
07-13-2006, 09:01 PM
I think some people are upset by - not being able to not book - but that DVC didn't keep their interests in mind when they knocked the balance off by creating such wildly different sized resorts.

Um.....I think you all you BCV and BCV people forget that its not your vaction club and the other resorts are ruining you party. And I am sure you are also forgetting that Old Key West was the "Disney Vacation Club" well before either of the other resorts came along. Maybe DVC messed up by building the Epcot resorts, leving the other three off alone. If anything SSR adds more balance to the system. Now there are two large resorts, one medium and two boutique resorts. (Not counting HH or VB in this).

Its a timeshare people....and very expensive timeshare. If you don't plan ahead and use it like the guidelines spell out, then shame on you and don't whine about it. Its not DVC, SSR or anyone elses fault that you waited until 7 months out to book at your home resort, during a busy time and can't get a room.

Whine, whine whine...its like dealing with a bunch of little kids. "he got an extra scoop of ice cream, I want an extra scoop too!"

Beca
07-13-2006, 11:11 PM
Um.....I think you all you BCV and BCV people forget that its not your vaction club and the other resorts are ruining you party. And I am sure you are also forgetting that Old Key West was the "Disney Vacation Club" well before either of the other resorts came along. Maybe DVC messed up by building the Epcot resorts, leving the other three off alone. If anything SSR adds more balance to the system. Now there are two large resorts, one medium and two boutique resorts. (Not counting HH or VB in this).

Its a timeshare people....and very expensive timeshare. If you don't plan ahead and use it like the guidelines spell out, then shame on you and don't whine about it. Its not DVC, SSR or anyone elses fault that you waited until 7 months out to book at your home resort, during a busy time and can't get a room.

Whine, whine whine...its like dealing with a bunch of little kids. "he got an extra scoop of ice cream, I want an extra scoop too!"

Okay....I think this is the kind of thing that BethA was talking about. And, it's funny...this is the second "hostile" posting by a SSR owner that I have seen tonight. I just recently re-read all of the "BCV is totally run down" threads, and NEVER in those threads did a BCV owner get bent out of shape, or hostile over people posting negative things about their resort. I also don't remember anyone getting hostile in the "BWV halls are too long" or "VWL is too dark" threads. I understand SSR getting upset when people say it is a "substandard" resort, but BethA (and MANY others who have posted) have not said that at all....they have simply said they don't care for the resort, and are concerned that due to its size, it may be the only option available on short notice. BethA joined DVC in 1999...DVC was a whole different animal then. Granted, her ability to plan ahead has also changed, but when DVC happily took her money, she was happy with the options available. With SSR being so big (and not to her liking) her membership in DVC has been negatively impacted. Folks....this is NOT SSR "bashing"...this is one person's honest and sincere experience, and she is now contemplating selling for this reason. And, when she posts her concerns on a DVC board, she gets condescending and curt responses.

I have "lurked" on this board, and not posted a lot recently. I understand that a lot of SSR owners feel a need to defend their resort....but the kind of responses that include "you BCV and BCV people forget that its not your vaction club and the other resorts are ruining you party", are completely inappropriate, and have crossed the line from "bashing resorts" to "bashing people". I am a huge BCV lover (not a defender...trash it all you want!), but Crisi is really unbiased, and posts great, honest opinions on this board. BethA...well, I hardly see her around here, and now I know why.

I think owners of ALL resorts need to realize that not every resort will appeal to ALL people. Folks....it's a TIMESHARE...it costs a lot of money, yes...but, it is not your child!!

BethA...I am really sorry that you are now scared to post on this board...and, I am sorry for this board...you seem really nice.

Crisi....sometimes I agree with you, and sometimes I don't...but, I always find your posts thought provoking and interesting.

I HOPE that this board can keep having honest discussions that are not overly concerned with being "politically correct", but that do not attack PEOPLE, either.

:wave:

Beca

Mississippian
07-13-2006, 11:16 PM
Um.....I think you all you BCV and BCV people forget that its not your vaction club and the other resorts are ruining you party. And I am sure you are also forgetting that Old Key West was the "Disney Vacation Club" well before either of the other resorts came along. Maybe DVC messed up by building the Epcot resorts, leving the other three off alone. If anything SSR adds more balance to the system. Now there are two large resorts, one medium and two boutique resorts. (Not counting HH or VB in this).

Its a timeshare people....and very expensive timeshare. If you don't plan ahead and use it like the guidelines spell out, then shame on you and don't whine about it. Its not DVC, SSR or anyone elses fault that you waited until 7 months out to book at your home resort, during a busy time and can't get a room.

Whine, whine whine...its like dealing with a bunch of little kids. "he got an extra scoop of ice cream, I want an extra scoop too!"
You know, I'm a member at BWV, and would like to stay at some point at VWL and BCV. BUT, I would be very, very happy if DVC would eliminate the ability to stay at other resorts. Let's just let every stay at their home resort. Since SSR is supposedly such a good place to stay, would you be willing to agree to that?

rinkwide
07-13-2006, 11:55 PM
...Whine, whine whine...That doesn't sound right. I'm sure you meant "Wine, wine, wine..." which is what Beach Club and Boardwalk owners do every night in October and November.

tomandrobin
07-14-2006, 05:35 AM
Beca

The point was that she stated thay the larger resort threw things out of whack, but forgetting that OKW was the first.....and was very large. Her point of reference was almost as OKW does not exist, and SSR is this large monster destroying DVC.....its a DVCzilla! If Disney adds four more resorts, it does not change anything with the "home" booking window. If DVC built two DVC resorts where SSR sits now (kind of like BWV and BCV next to each other) that still would not change that "home" resort booking. Its not the size that matters, unless you are staying there.

I am not trying to be hostile. And I was not attacking anyone. Just pointing out what is being over looked. Peolple assume things without thinking them thru.

kathleena
07-14-2006, 06:04 AM
edited to delete - didn't realize this original post was so darn old!

tomandrobin
07-14-2006, 06:19 AM
You know, I'm a member at BWV, and would like to stay at some point at VWL and BCV. BUT, I would be very, very happy if DVC would eliminate the ability to stay at other resorts. Let's just let every stay at their home resort. Since SSR is supposedly such a good place to stay, would you be willing to agree to that?

First all, I did not say SSR was so great or is a great place to stay. I do not have a problem staying at SSR. I would not have bought there is I did not like the resort. Currently own at SSR, will add on at the next resort when it is announced. Can't wait to hear all the bashing for that too.

Second, just like the previous posters, you want exclusivity at your resort. But thats not the type of resort you bought, it does trade with other owners. It also trades with II members who aren't even DVC members. People get all worked up that there is no availablity at 8 months out and blame SSR. There is no connection between the two. At seven months out, is a whole different ball game.

Third, there will come a day where SSR won't be able to trade with BWV or BCV or HH or VB or WLV or OKW.. Its the year 2042, or it may come sooner. Time will tell.

FYI, I own a Westin timeshare also. SSR is on par with a Westin timeshare accomadations. Not to shabby. The resort is still a work in progress. Turf Club just opened, there is a new pool going to be available next year.

tomandrobin
07-14-2006, 06:21 AM
That doesn't sound right. I'm sure you meant "Wine, wine, wine..." which is what Beach Club and Boardwalk owners do every night in October and November.

LOL.....my mistake, where is that word editor when you need it! :rotfl2: :lmao: :rotfl:

Dean
07-14-2006, 07:04 AM
I don't think the accounts that have been shared here that some have had difficulty in booking is enough fact. I am not saying it is not true, but I don't think anyone has the factual information to support it.

We don't know how many have been able to book at 7 months. We have had great success at booking at 7 months and still do.We disagree on the info available but I suspect those of us who know how to use the system will continue to do well.

Dean
07-14-2006, 07:07 AM
But, as other posters have reported, some resorts are filling up during the priority window...so maybe it is the BCV and BWV owners that are throwing the system off by booking multiples and renting. You can't blame the larger resorts for that, or the increased membership, you can blame your fellow somewhat "greedy" and inconsiderate owners, as well as kicking yourselves for not booking earlier.I don't think that's entirely accurate. It appears to me that many of the destination resort owners are planning ahead BECAUSE of teh situation with SSR and the other resorts that are making the 7 month window harder. End result is it becomes harder still at 7 months, so be it.

crisi
07-14-2006, 07:08 AM
Um.....I think you all you BCV and BCV people forget that its not your vaction club and the other resorts are ruining you party. And I am sure you are also forgetting that Old Key West was the "Disney Vacation Club" well before either of the other resorts came along. Maybe DVC messed up by building the Epcot resorts, leving the other three off alone. If anything SSR adds more balance to the system. Now there are two large resorts, one medium and two boutique resorts. (Not counting HH or VB in this).

Its a timeshare people....and very expensive timeshare. If you don't plan ahead and use it like the guidelines spell out, then shame on you and don't whine about it. Its not DVC, SSR or anyone elses fault that you waited until 7 months out to book at your home resort, during a busy time and can't get a room.

Whine, whine whine...its like dealing with a bunch of little kids. "he got an extra scoop of ice cream, I want an extra scoop too!"

Actually, I'm not whining...I stay at my home resort which I always book at 11 months - is BWV, which is "moderate" sized - and don't even like BCV. What I don't like is that Disney didn't do what I consider due dilligence in resort planning and design with these resorts - Disney usually PLANS better - or they seemed to back in the day. VWL should not be so small. SSR should not be so large. I think its poor planning and makes people not content, which decreases satisfaction in the program. Moreover, since guides do sell with the "you can stay anywhere" (often completely ignoring the small print of "depending on availability), I find the approach slightly unethical.

But, honestly, it isn't impacting me - except perhaps as it effects future resale values if and when I sell my points. So from a completely egocentric point of view - throw a highrise DVC over by Pop with 2000 rooms - I don't care.

crisi
07-14-2006, 07:12 AM
Beca

The point was that she stated thay the larger resort threw things out of whack, but forgetting that OKW was the first.....and was very large. Her point of reference was almost as OKW does not exist, and SSR is this large monster destroying DVC.....its a DVCzilla! If Disney adds four more resorts, it does not change anything with the "home" booking window. If DVC built two DVC resorts where SSR sits now (kind of like BWV and BCV next to each other) that still would not change that "home" resort booking. Its not the size that matters, unless you are staying there.

I am not trying to be hostile. And I was not attacking anyone. Just pointing out what is being over looked. Peolple assume things without thinking them thru.

You need to read closer. My point is that the DVC resorts should all be the similarly sized. VWL is too small. SSR is too large. With OKW as the first resort, and BWV as the second (which is smaller, but really only in comparison to SSR), the resorts should be hitting the mean....

I am not bashing SSR - I didn't even MENTION SSR. You may not be trying to be hostile, but you are coming across as such. You may wish to read things and not assume them without thinking them through.....

Dean
07-14-2006, 07:14 AM
Beca

The point was that she stated thay the larger resort threw things out of whack, but forgetting that OKW was the first.....and was very large. Her point of reference was almost as OKW does not exist, and SSR is this large monster destroying DVC.....its a DVCzilla! If Disney adds four more resorts, it does not change anything with the "home" booking window. If DVC built two DVC resorts where SSR sits now (kind of like BWV and BCV next to each other) that still would not change that "home" resort booking. Its not the size that matters, unless you are staying there.

I am not trying to be hostile. And I was not attacking anyone. Just pointing out what is being over looked. Peolple assume things without thinking them thru.Actually OKW is likely to be a much smaller issue than SSR. Certainly more so than the difference in size. Partly because OKW has a loyal following, SSR likely will some day as well. And partly because of the points differential. I'd estimate that the number of SSR owners over time trying to reserve at the destination resorts to be likely 5 times or more the number of OKW owners trying to do the same. And in addition, there will likely be another 3 times as many SSR owners trying to stay at OKW as the reverse. Fact no, but my informed opinion.

Dean
07-14-2006, 07:18 AM
Second, just like the previous posters, you want exclusivity at your resort. But thats not the type of resort you bought, it does trade with other owners. It also trades with II members who aren't even DVC members. People get all worked up that there is no availablity at 8 months out and blame SSR. There is no connection between the two. At seven months out, is a whole different ball game.

Third, there will come a day where SSR won't be able to trade with BWV or BCV or HH or VB or WLV or OKW.. Its the year 2042, or it may come sooner. Time will tell.

FYI, I own a Westin timeshare also. SSR is on par with a Westin timeshare accomadations. Not to shabby. The resort is still a work in progress. Turf Club just opened, there is a new pool going to be available next year.One can ensure exclusivity by booking in the home resort window. As for Westin, some would argue that none of the DVC resorts (as a resort) measure up to Westin or Hyatt.

Chuck S
07-14-2006, 07:24 AM
I don't think that's entirely accurate. It appears to me that many of the destination resort owners are planning ahead BECAUSE of teh situation with SSR and the other resorts that are making the 7 month window harder. End result is it becomes harder still at 7 months, so be it.

But that also isn't entirely accurate. If BCV/BWV owners were able to book during the 7 month window before, and are now unable to book even during the priority window, owners are reserving more rooms than in the past. Unless a lot of folks suddenly have doubled the size of their traveling parties, surely the rental market (folks booking ressies for popular times, holding that room and later renting that ressie) has increased.

HUFF590
07-14-2006, 07:29 AM
Everyone is just repeating themselves,over and over. You guys have already givin the best advice on the subject(buy where you want to stay and plan early as possible) guides, DVC , guest, renters, members, we are all in this together. All that being said, this is a very interresting thread.

tomandrobin
07-14-2006, 07:32 AM
I don't think that's entirely accurate. It appears to me that many of the destination resort owners are planning ahead BECAUSE of teh situation with SSR and the other resorts that are making the 7 month window harder. End result is it becomes harder still at 7 months, so be it.

I agree. The more resorts in DVC, the more the members have to plan ahead to avoid booking at seven months.

tomandrobin
07-14-2006, 07:38 AM
Actually, I'm not whining...I stay at my home resort which I always book at 11 months - is BWV, which is "moderate" sized - and don't even like BCV. What I don't like is that Disney didn't do what I consider due dilligence in resort planning and design with these resorts - Disney usually PLANS better - or they seemed to back in the day. VWL should not be so small. SSR should not be so large. I think its poor planning and makes people not content, which decreases satisfaction in the program. Moreover, since guides do sell with the "you can stay anywhere" (often completely ignoring the small print of "depending on availability), I find the approach slightly unethical.

But, honestly, it isn't impacting me - except perhaps as it effects future resale values if and when I sell my points. So from a completely egocentric point of view - throw a highrise DVC over by Pop with 2000 rooms - I don't care.

I do think DVC should have held back the last phase of SSR, and maybe came back to it 8 years down the raod. But, that's water over the dam now.

Wilderness Lodge I think was limited in size cause of zoning restraints.....not sure about that. But, it would have been nicer to have it larger with better amenities. Has anyone seen their pool......lacking. At least the pool at the hotel makes up for it.

starbox
07-14-2006, 07:38 AM
Actually OKW is likely to be a much smaller issue than SSR. Certainly more so than the difference in size. Partly because OKW has a loyal following, SSR likely will some day as well. And partly because of the points differential. I'd estimate that the number of SSR owners over time trying to reserve at the destination resorts to be likely 5 times or more the number of OKW owners trying to do the same. And in addition, there will likely be another 3 times as many SSR owners trying to stay at OKW as the reverse. Fact no, but my informed opinion.


As an SSR member who made her first reservation at OKW - this is totally true because of the points! If I am going to choose between 10 pts a studio and 13 pts a studio - 10 is going to be my first choice.

I actually booked at OKW thinking I probably would not like it as much as other resorts (but I am not picky and am happy just being anywhere thats not an ASR). OKW the only Disney property I have not seen at all. I assumed that since it was the oldest resort, it would probably be the "forgotten one" and nobody stayed there by choice. Then, I found the DIS boards and saw pictures/read trip reports/etc and now I am really excited about OKW! But I was totally drawn to it initially because of low points. If SSR was 11 points in the summer, I would not try to switch reservations as much. In the same way, I'll probably never try to stay at VWL for longer than a 3 day trip because it takes so many points. Although I do want to try everything once - my first choices will be the most point-conserving ones. :woohoo:

I think the popularity of renting BCV, BWV, and WLV is also impacting the ability of DVC members who actually want to use their points to visit with their friends/family. The Unofficial Guide to Disney tells people that the way to stay in those resorts cheap is to rent points, and that is sending tons of people to DVC to rent points. If DVC members all agreed to raise the rental price per point to closer to 15$, I have a feeling we'd see a heck of a lot more availability open up.

Dean
07-14-2006, 07:47 AM
But that also isn't entirely accurate. If BCV/BWV owners were able to book during the 7 month window before, and are now unable to book even during the priority window, owners are reserving more rooms than in the past. Unless a lot of folks suddenly have doubled the size of their traveling parties, surely the rental market (folks booking ressies for popular times, holding that room and later renting that ressie) has increased.
Chuck, I think you may have missed the point. If an owner at say BCV was previously reserving prior to the 7 month window and being successful and now find they can't do that, they are likely to move to the home resort window for their planning as is their right. If they are not being successful, in part, because of SSR, the cause shifts to SSR among others. And many of those are going to book their home resort then be in the pool of those trying for the otehr destination resorts at the 7 month window.

Even a few rentals will have an effect on a busy time. And if the reservations are harder to get, those who rent are more likely to get high demand times and offer them for rent than wait and simply rent the points.

I agree. The more resorts in DVC, the more the members have to plan ahead to avoid booking at seven months. It depends on the resorts. It depends more on the demand than the size though. IMO, DVC missed the opportunity with SSR to generate the demand. There are many things they could have done. A mini water park, lower points, under unit parking, an exclusive Club or restaurant, indivual golf homes that were maybe 4 BR and locked off into two 2 BR units just to name a few. CR would help some but wouldn't be large enough to relieve the pressure. Neither would adding a smaller AKL option in addition.

mikesmom
07-14-2006, 08:52 AM
What I don't like is that Disney didn't do what I consider due dilligence in resort planning and design with these resorts - Disney usually PLANS better - or they seemed to back in the day. VWL should not be so small. SSR should not be so large

May I offer a different perspective? When OKW was built as the ONLY Vacation Club, Disney did not know if it would be a popular option, or be a failure. I don't don't believe they ever imagined it would become as popular as it is. When BWV opened there was plenty of resort bashing from people who didn't like the hotel style (as opposed to the OKW condo-style), didn't like the smaller rooms, the higher point costs, etc. Seems silly now that people are very upset when they can't get in there. In spite of the "issues" it sold through nicely and you started hearing comments about " I would LOVE to have a DVC at Beach Club" and "If they would only build at Wilderness Lodge I would buy in a heartbeat!". So they did build in those locations, but they pretty much had to shoehorn the DVC in - what were they going to do, tear down the hotel that was already there? Tear down part of Epcot to get a bigger BCV? The size was determined by the space. Even now, folks clamor for a DVC at AK and there is no good amount of space there.

Even as those resorts were being built, DVC memberships were selling fast. The key to selling appeared to be ONSITE. Those who have been around a while remember that all the onsite resorts sold MUCH faster than Vero and HHI. Disney even scrapped plans to build more offsite DVC because they just didn't have the main attraction - people wanted a timeshare ONSITE. Disney has given us exactly what the people have asked for - more DVC rooms onsite. Yes, it's harder to book unless you plan. My feeling is that the "Best Kept Secret" just isn't a secret anymore. DVC has given us exactly what we signed up for - nice accomodations onsite with a booking advantage.

Particularly after 9/11 we all got a little easygoing about reservations. Folks weren't traveling and ressies were easy to get. That has changed and not just at DVC. Look on the other Boards - plenty of folks upset about no rooms available when and where they want to go. In some cases we only have ourselves to blame. If we keep telling people about how great DVC is, and how wonderful the Food & Wine Fest is we just add more folks to the mix.

I have definitley digressed. Mostly I think Disney gets someone upset no matter what they do. We wanted more DVC hotels and now we are upset because that means more members. Can't win!

crisi
07-14-2006, 09:09 AM
What I don't like is that Disney didn't do what I consider due dilligence in resort planning and design with these resorts - Disney usually PLANS better - or they seemed to back in the day.

I'm revoking this statement - or clarifying it. I think Disney and DVC does do due diligence, I just thing they don't weight the criteria I'd like to see weighted as high as I would weight it. One is "how will taking this action affect our current members" (guests, in the case of theme parks, because this isn't just a DVC thing). The second is "what will be the long term effect of this action."

This isn't a "they ruined the system with SSR" thing. This is "they've been making decisions they haven't really thought through since they put in the view structure at BWVs." (Could there really have been a time DVC thought people looking at the drive for the same number of points would be just as happy as those looking at the BW? And then, when they figured that out, they (IMO) changed the point structure the wrong direction - the standard views are as good as most of the preferred views - its the BW views that have a qualitative difference, in my mind).

To turn this off DVC, take the dining plan. On an individual level, I'm a huge fan of the idea of the dining plan. We haven't had the opportunity to use it yet, but it can really save money. Its great that other people are discovering how enjoyable a Disney vacation can be when you spend an hour sitting down for a pretty decent meal. Its great.

On an aggregate level, I feel its being oversold. People are having a hard time finding a place to eat. Reservations need to be made further out than ever. People who could wing it in the past are having to change their methodolgy. And Disney isn't adding more restaurants to feed the demand (one in AK....). Reuse Oddessy and Ariels - that would provide two more venues...Moreover, the dining plan seems to be changing menus, service and food quality - though those are perceptions of mine that may be wrong.

A Disney vacation (and I'll continue with the dining example) has always been an exercise in knowing the system and working it. Know which restaurants need ADRs, make them 90 days in advance (the old system). Know which restaurants are good and which aren't. Don't plan to eat at Boma if you are going to spend the day in the MK and intend to catch Illuminations at night. Have your big meal at lunch for lower prices and fewer crowds. People who don't know the system are at a disadvantage, but it is possible to still have a great vacation not knowing the system.

It seems that lately, the system is getting more complex and working it is getting harder. ADRs six months out! And more and more people making them for the same number of restaurants, which means that dining at dinner time in anything resembling a popular restaurant now involves planning months in advance (we used to make our ADRs about four - six weeks out with decent enough results - can't do that anymore).

(Fastpasses are another example of added complexity. A boon to those of us who know how to work the system, but the theme park board almost always has a thread somewhere about someone standing in the long line griping about the Fastpass line and not understanding the system. And the Fastpass system grants definate advantages to certain guests - families who have a "Fastpass runner role" for instance. Don't get me wrong, I like Fastpasses, but I sometimes wonder how anyone who is taking their first Disney trip without a "native guide" manages to leave happy - unless they get lucky enough to find us, or do more reading than you do in most college semesters.)

And yet, with all of that rather wordy vent, I still remain content, I suspect in part because I do understand how to work the system. Overall, Disney has done a good job balancing their customer needs with their business and I still admire what they do. But I can still look at it and not think it was done the way I'd do it (which is, of course, the right way).

(by the way, I wrote that while you were posting Mikesmom - I agree with you as well).

Johnnie Fedora
07-14-2006, 09:24 AM
But, as other posters have reported, some resorts are filling up during the priority window...so maybe it is the BCV and BWV owners that are throwing the system off by booking multiples and renting. You can't blame the larger resorts for that, or the increased membership, you can blame your fellow somewhat "greedy" and inconsiderate owners, as well as kicking yourselves for not booking earlier.

Let's not forget the biggest renter of DVC points...Disney's CRO. Who knows how CRO utilizes all those points members trade in for DCL or CC. Disney may be renting out every spare room at BCV because it is an easier "CRO rental" than a "CRO rental" at SSR. Greedy and inconsiderate Disney!

HUFF590
07-14-2006, 09:24 AM
Is it possible that Disney did plan ahead, and thought that SSR was going to be there best resort ever, and that so many people would want to stay there that they had to build such a large resort? they surely did surveys and interveiws etc to get the pulse of the people they always have. And its possible it just did not pan out the way they exspected it too.

cobbler
07-14-2006, 10:50 AM
This isn't a "they ruined the system with SSR" thing. This is "they've been making decisions they haven't really thought through since they put in the view structure at BWVs." (Could there really have been a time DVC thought people looking at the drive for the same number of points would be just as happy as those looking at the BW? And then, when they figured that out, they (IMO) changed the point structure the wrong direction - the standard views are as good as most of the preferred views - its the BW views that have a qualitative difference, in my mind).



You know I often ponder if it would be beneficial to do the same sort of thing to SSR with the guaranteed DTD views.

Seems a lot don't like the Paddock, lower the point range for that area, make the rest the current point range but put DTD view in the same price range but make it a guaranteed catergory like the BW view.

I don't know this but when they changed the point structure at BWV, did they lower for the std and keep the current point structure the same for the preferred/BW view? Or did they keep the point structure the same for the std view and raise for the preferred/BW view? Or a little of both?

ETA:
PS (and this is just a general PS, not to any specific poster)
I still think SSR is still in the awkward teen phase. It hasn't quite come into its own yet. But they are listening and with the added Turf Club (which looks really really nice btw) and a few other things here and there. It needs time to come into its own.

Disney Doll
07-14-2006, 11:08 AM
Well, FWIW, no matter where they built the resort, the addition of a new resort and thousands of new members is going to impact the usage of all the other DVC resorts. It's one of the selling points of DVC that you are not bound to stay in your home resort.

So the most recently built resort is SSR. If the most recently built resort had been The Contemporary Villas, there still would have been a large influx of new members, all of whom the "older" members are now competing with for rooms.

I would assume that BWV and BCV would fill up rapidly during the F&W Festival time period, due to their proximity to Epcot. Those of you who own there are going to have to start planning vacations earlier, so that you can take advantage of the 11 month window. That is your advantage for that property, so you'll need to start really using it. Especially for the BCV, which is a small resort, and very popular due to Stormalong Bay.

Sorry it isn't working as you wanted.

I will tell you that last year we went to the F&W Festival. Our home resort is OKW, so I booked that and waitlisted for the BWVs. We slowly but surely got all the nights we wanted at the BWVs. The last night came available the day before we left!!!!

LIFERBABE
07-14-2006, 11:51 AM
A Disney vacation (and I'll continue with the dining example) has always been an exercise in knowing the system and working it. Know which restaurants need ADRs, make them 90 days in advance (the old system). Know which restaurants are good and which aren't. Don't plan to eat at Boma if you are going to spend the day in the MK and intend to catch Illuminations at night. Have your big meal at lunch for lower prices and fewer crowds. People who don't know the system are at a disadvantage, but it is possible to still have a great vacation not knowing the system.

Crisi, I agree with much of what you have posted although I am one of those SSR lovers. We love SSR and CHOOSE to stay there and we have Home Priority at BCV, SSR, OKW, and BWV. We love our other homes too and feel great that we can stay where we want when we want.

I do feel a pang, when people wait 3 months prior to book and then come here yelling that the sky is falling because they couldnt get their home resort and its all SSR's fault.

In the past we learned to work the system, but through the sharing of information on forums such as these, the system has learned to work us.

That is what is so frustrating to many, that they can't come here and brag about what an Awesome time they had at F&W or how great early december is without thousands of others wanting to experience the same thing. It is just human nature.
People are booking early and often based on experiences posted here. If people would calm down and stop adding to the hysteria, they may be able to get a room at their home. All these sky-falling posts do is cause anticipatory reservations by members with the booking advantage.

The playing field is leveling and everyone is booking day by day, because WE told them to! WE told them to stay at BCV and BWV for F&W. WE told them to visit in early December.

No one in 2006 is dropping 15K on DVC without doing a little research first. These new owners, know how to work the system. This board takes the learning curve to Zero.

We have to take the good with the bad.

Granny
07-14-2006, 11:57 AM
Wilderness Lodge I think was limited in size cause of zoning restraints.....not sure about that. But, it would have been nicer to have it larger with better amenities. Has anyone seen their pool......lacking. At least the pool at the hotel makes up for it. :offtopic:

Please leave us happy VWL owners out of this discussion...no need to bring off topic complaints about its pool into this thread, is there? :smooth:

We know we have a small resort (one more reason to love it) and yes, it was as big as they could make it with the property and zoning restrictions.

Now, back to the discussion in process... popcorn::

tomandrobin
07-14-2006, 12:04 PM
I have definitley digressed. Mostly I think Disney gets someone upset no matter what they do. We wanted more DVC hotels and now we are upset because that means more members. Can't win!

Amen to that! See peolple are putting real effort into the posts now.


And Crisi, it wasn't personal against your post, but it was the one to get me back in. It seems that everyone needs to be better informed and better prepared as more and more members are added.

Huff590....No! It's not the best and won't be. Each resort has something unique that the others do not have. Its a personal thing. There is no best resort. But, Atlantis @ Pardise Island comes close....just no mouse! :teeth:

Beca
07-14-2006, 12:05 PM
Beca

The point was that she stated thay the larger resort threw things out of whack, but forgetting that OKW was the first.....and was very large. Her point of reference was almost as OKW does not exist, and SSR is this large monster destroying DVC.....its a DVCzilla! If Disney adds four more resorts, it does not change anything with the "home" booking window. If DVC built two DVC resorts where SSR sits now (kind of like BWV and BCV next to each other) that still would not change that "home" resort booking. Its not the size that matters, unless you are staying there.

I am not trying to be hostile. And I was not attacking anyone. Just pointing out what is being over looked. Peolple assume things without thinking them thru.

Thank you for such a kind response!! And, I totally understand what you are saying. Maybe it is (as another poster suggested) a "selective memory" thing...people are remembering things the way they were after 9/11, instead of the way they were "in the old days" before 9/11. And yes, WDW attendance is up 5%, and Disney is going to do whatever they can to keep it that way.

My point is this, "regulars" on this board debate this....and, debate this....and, debate this until we just can't stand it anymore. We get mad at each other, DVC, and ourselves....and then, we drop it. And, then a new person comes on the boards and expresses a sincere concern, and the responses she gets make her so uncomfortable (in their snarkiness) that she decides not post here anymore. Then, she comes back on another thread just to tell us that, and the thread gets kind of snarky again. I just felt really bad for her. I mean, if someone wants to get snarky with me...go ahead...I've been around a long time, can take it...and, probably deserve it ::yes:: If someone wants to tell me to stop whining...go ahead!!! But, when someone is so upset they are thinking of selling (with great sadness), to me...that's just not whining.

Anyway...I don't mean to "digress" so much. And, I apologize if I got snarky with you last night. I just think we need to try to be civil with each other.

:wave:

Beca

Sammie
07-14-2006, 12:22 PM
I think the biggest point many of us forget is what is shared here, problems booking at 7 months, being shut out of home resort at select times, the situation with SSR, liking it, not liking it, is a very small percentage of what really goes on with DVC and it's members.

Just like the other thread about renter liability. I am sure some on this forum were shocked that that type of thing happens and the extent of it and the fact that a member had to be held responsible. Many would be amazed at what actually does go on at DVC resorts.

There is no way anyone can deny that renting has definitely increased. Only in the last year or so did it become part of the unofficial guides planning advice and there was a time when Net forums for renting did not exisit.

So possibly the old adage " We have seen the enemy and he is us" holds true in this situation too.

tomandrobin
07-14-2006, 01:43 PM
Thank you for such a kind response!! I just think we need to try to be civil with each other.

:wave:

Beca

When comes down to it, we are all one big happy family!
:cool1: :banana: :Pinkbounc :cheer2: pirate: :artist: :wave: princess: :yay: :bride: :joker: :crazy: :3dglasses :groom: ::cop: :jester:

Mic
07-14-2006, 02:10 PM
I am the worst kind of member...I own all over the place, and I sometimes make last minute plans/changes. In the past, I was able to book BWV 11 months out, day by day for Christmas, Easter, etc., but those days are gone now that my kids are older and more involved in extra-curricular activities. I, too, have noticed that it has become harder and harder to get a room at seven months (or less) out. But I can't say I'm surprised...Disney's "best-kept" secret is also their "most-advertised". I will just have to plan better if I want to make the most of my points.

TCPluto
07-14-2006, 02:41 PM
this is the second "hostile" posting by a SSR owner that I have seen tonight.

I just recently re-read all of the "BCV is totally run down" threads, and NEVER in those threads did a BCV owner get bent out of shape, or hostile over people posting negative things about their resort.

Huh??? I guess this confirms it. BCV owners are just a better class of people.....

TCPluto
07-14-2006, 02:49 PM
Is it possible that Disney did plan ahead, and thought that SSR was going to be there best resort ever, and that so many people would want to stay there that they had to build such a large resort? they surely did surveys and interveiws etc to get the pulse of the people they always have. And its possible it just did not pan out the way they exspected it too.

Good call Huff.

As opposed to not panning out, maybe more time has to elapse for members to grow into the resort and what it offers.

crisi
07-14-2006, 03:08 PM
I'm having a hard time believe that Disney made SSR three times as attractive as VWL....Its a nice resort, but what we are saying is that their market research proved that what they built meant that 3 out of 4 DVC members prefer it over BCV or VWL (they are approximately the same size) and that it will be over twice as popular as BWV.

Please tell me what they did to make it three times as attractive as VWL/BCV?

This is where Dean's point comes in - perhaps had they made the rooms larger, or the point structure lower, or both, given guests access to spa features (like steam rooms and adult only spas and pools - not the services, but the features), added a waterpark like pool - it would have been attractive enough.

HUFF590
07-14-2006, 03:10 PM
Huff590....No! It's not the best and won't be. Each resort has something unique that the others do not have. Its a personal thing. There is no best resort. But, Atlantis @ Pardise Island comes close....just no mouse!

I did not say it was and I dont believe it is , what I said was is it possible that Disney thought it was going to be the best, please read more carefully.

Muushka
07-14-2006, 03:23 PM
As I read through this thread, it makes me wonder. How many people will 'over book' their DVC vacation due to home resort being unavailable at 9 months? For example:

We always go to VWL in December. Say I am not sure which week I want, so I go ahead and book 2 or 3 separate vacations, and wait until I knew for sure which one I would want. And to take it a step further, when I figure out which I want, I figure I may as well sell those other reservations and make a few bucks. This is sure a slippery slope we are headed on. Not sure what the answer is, but it will get worse before it gets better.

PS I promise I will not over-book and sell my reservation during favored times. I wish everyone would do the same.

shantay1008
07-14-2006, 03:31 PM
Okay, so where is Therese's pesky little niece/nephew who was bored one night and resurrected this old thread? Isn't anyone else seeing the humor in this?!?

Beca, I think you hit the nail on the head as usual when you described how the posting process sometimes works on here! :thumbsup2

I wonder how many people really do consult the internet before purchasing DVC? It would be interesting to know how the stuff talked about on here influences buyers and sellers. To be honest, it didn't occur to me to research the net before we made our purchase back in '04. I wonder if we would have done anything differently if we had.... It's sort of tough to say, really.
Shannon

zum
07-14-2006, 03:49 PM
Funny There are no Villas available through DVC during your time period But you can book as many Villas as you like through central reseravtions do you believe they only hold back 2-4% ?

LIFERBABE
07-14-2006, 03:52 PM
Funny There are no Villas available through DVC during your time period But you can book as many Villas as you like through central reseravtions do you believe they only hold back 2-4% ?

They hold back 2-4% plus exchanges. That could increase the number of rooms available thru CRO.

Example, many people used points to book the upcoming DVC member cruise. Those points need to be converted to CRO reservations to pay for the cruise. That's alot of points=Alot of rooms.

gjw007
07-14-2006, 03:58 PM
Wow! So much passion. I have just booked Boardwalk for my December stay, so depending on the times, there are still availabilities after the 7-month window. With more members, and it doesn't matter the size or the number new resorts, there will be increased competiton to book at a specific resort at the 7-month window. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that a smaller resort will fill before a larger resort.

As an SSR owner, I plan to stay mostly at SSR but given the passion that some members here have for the other resorts, I felt the desire to stay at some of them to see if I had missed something as I completely rejected DVC when I first looked at it when BCV was being sold. I have stayed at VWL and enjoyed my stay. I will, as mentioned, be staying at Boardwalk the week before Xmas. If possible, next year I will try to reserve at BCV. If I read the tone correctly on some of the comments (such as stay only at the resort that you bought), I would be denied that ability if they had the ability to make changes. Which of course, self-defeats DVC.

rinkwide
07-14-2006, 04:19 PM
...I wonder how many people really do consult the internet before purchasing DVC? It would be interesting to know how the stuff talked about on here influences buyers and sellers...It's a lot less than many around here might think. In my experience - having chatted with fellow members I've happened upon in the parks, resorts and whatnot - only about 3 out of 5 DVCers have ever heard of DrTomorrow (http://www.disboards.com/member.php?u=48751). Pretty sad, really.

Chuck S
07-14-2006, 04:20 PM
If I read the tone correctly on some of the comments (such as stay only at the resort that you bought), I would be denied that ability if they had the ability to make changes. Which of course, self-defeats DVC.

Actually, DVC can restrict us to booking only our home resort. This is extremely unlikely, of course, but they do have the ability to do so by our contracts. I imagine we may see his put into effect about 2040, to control bookings during the last years of the original DVC resorts. Of course, there may be no problem, even then...who knows. But just clarifying that DVC does have the ability to do that.

Just as they can restrict an individuals usage of points if the building they own is destroyed by some sort of catastrophe. They seemed to try to plan for all the "what ifs" they could when they designed the program.

Dean
07-14-2006, 04:46 PM
Is it possible that Disney did plan ahead, and thought that SSR was going to be there best resort ever, and that so many people would want to stay there that they had to build such a large resort? they surely did surveys and interveiws etc to get the pulse of the people they always have. And its possible it just did not pan out the way they exspected it too.LOL, only in fantasy land. I don't think you really believe that's the case.
I don't know this but when they changed the point structure at BWV, did they lower for the std and keep the current point structure the same for the preferred/BW view? Or did they keep the point structure the same for the std view and raise for the preferred/BW view? Or a little of both?

ETA:
PS (and this is just a general PS, not to any specific poster)
I still think SSR is still in the awkward teen phase. It hasn't quite come into its own yet. But they are listening and with the added Turf Club (which looks really really nice btw) and a few other things here and there. It needs time to come into its own.They lowered the points for the SV and kept the rest the same. This essentially reduced the total points sold there and was a benefit to those that had bought there. No question that SSR is still evolving and there are opportunities to improve it. The restaurant is only crumbs though. IMO, there's not enough they could do at this point that would rectify the situation.
Well, FWIW, no matter where they built the resort, the addition of a new resort and thousands of new members is going to impact the usage of all the other DVC resorts. It's one of the selling points of DVC that you are not bound to stay in your home resort.

So the most recently built resort is SSR. If the most recently built resort had been The Contemporary Villas, there still would have been a large influx of new members, all of whom the "older" members are now competing with for rooms.To a degree any new resort will affect the 7 month window one way or another. But if the demand is equal to the other resorts, it will have a zero end effect. As many people will trade in as out and it could be the same as prior to that resort or even better for everyone. ANY resort where members trade out more than the average when excluding that resort will affect the 7 month window in a negative manner. And any resort that is more in demand that the rest will have the opposite affect. SSR is almost as big now at BWV, BCV and VWL put together and when completed and sold, will be around 20% larger.

As I read through this thread, it makes me wonder. How many people will 'over book' their DVC vacation due to home resort being unavailable at 9 months? IF you mean booking longer than they might need or two different unit sizes or different weeks until they know what they need, a lot of people do that. And it appears more are doing it now it appears than previously.

littlestar
07-14-2006, 05:02 PM
:offtopic:

Please leave us happy VWL owners out of this discussion...no need to bring off topic complaints about its pool into this thread, is there? :smooth:

We know we have a small resort (one more reason to love it) and yes, it was as big as they could make it with the property and zoning restrictions.

Now, back to the discussion in process... popcorn::

Amen, brother, preach it. I'm a VERY happy VWL owner and I like her just the way she is. Home sweet home (tucked close to the main lodge, but yet so peaceful and serene). :thumbsup2

Beca
07-14-2006, 05:19 PM
I do think there are things that DVC could do to make SSR the Flagship resort. But, unfortunately....they are not cost effective.

A few of my ideas (which don't count for anything) are:

1) Adding a SAB as the second theme pool, and allowing NO pool hopping there.

2) Purchasing the movie theatre, and offering "free Disney movies", as well as adding on to the building to make a child care center, or

2) Adding a "Hoop de doo" style "live review" dinner there, or even better...a Disney story show (like Aladdin at DL) in the theatre.

3) Spending the $$$$ to make SSR a monorail resort

4) Adding a REAL horse arena there...with nighttime dinner shows (like Medieval times) that are "Victorian based" rather than Medieval. And, in the daytime, offer horse rides, and even Dressage lessons. They could also have horse races, where when you win, you win Disney merchandise...not money.

The issue with SSR is that with the size of the complex, the higher cost of points than OKW, but a more remote location than others, there is no "niche" for SSR that draws a large number of people. No matter what DVC adds to their resorts, they will always be competing with the lure of the parks as the "destination of choice". If they want to make SSR the true flagship, they either need to:
1) Improve access to the parks...thus, the monorail (which would make it the only DVC resort on the monorail)

or

2) Make it a "destination" to rival the parks. I do think that is what DVC was thinking when they placed it so close to DTD, but DTD does not compare to being right next to a park.

I do think SSR will come into its own, in time....but, partially due to its size, it will be the last place people will try to book because they will think they can "always stay there"...that fact alone makes SSR less desirable....and, that is really not fair to anyone, especially when you consider that SSR owners are paying more to own there than any DVC member has done in the initial offerings of any other DVC resort.

Personally, I would LOVE to see SSR become its own little "Mackinac Island"...where the place just becomes gracefully elegant in the evenings....where you could say, "Who wants to go to the parks when there is so much to do here?" I mean....we all get tired of going to the parks...having a serene, elegant retreat that truly is a "world of its own" would be a GREAT option. And, with all the space at SSR, it is DVC's best option for doing so. Someone suggested an "elegant" Mary Poppins theme...I think that would be REALLY cool. There is so much possibility there!!

:wave:

Beca

Chuck S
07-14-2006, 05:19 PM
Here's an interesting thought. Let's suppose for this scenario the resorts are the same size. Let's say that Resort 1 fully books during the priority window, with 30% of those bookings wanting to change to resort 2 at 7 months. Then let's say Resort 2 also books during the priority window, with 30% wanting to change to Resort 1 at 7 months. No one will cancel their ressie unless there is availability. Now we hear..."OMG, nothing available at 7 months", when in reality, there are an equal number of people at both resorts wanting to switch but unwilling to cancel until the other resort become available. It is a standoff. I just wonder how often something like that happens, and if it, too, could be part of the problem?

Sammie
07-14-2006, 05:23 PM
When comes down to it, we are all one big happy family!
:cool1: :banana: :Pinkbounc :cheer2: pirate: :artist: :wave: princess: :yay: :bride: :joker: :crazy: :3dglasses :groom: ::cop: :jester:

I would hate to even know who is who in that line-up and you left me out. :car:

Chuck S
07-14-2006, 05:27 PM
.... Adding a "Hoop de doo" style "live review" dinner there, or even better...a Disney story show (like Aladdin at DL) in the theatre.

Beca

Excellent suggestion, WDW could use a fresh Dinner Show...or if nothing else, a reincarnation of Broadway at the Top that used to be where CA Grill is now. Or even some play having to do with the "horse" theme of the resort.

Chuck S
07-14-2006, 05:33 PM
This thread is having less & less to do with vacation planning, I'm moving it to Mousecellaneous.

Sammie
07-14-2006, 05:35 PM
I do think there are things that DVC could do to make SSR the Flagship resort. But, unfortunately....they are not cost effective.

A few of my ideas (which don't count for anything) are:

1) Adding a SAB as the second theme pool, and allowing NO pool hopping there.

2) Purchasing the movie theatre, and offering "free Disney movies", as well as adding on to the building to make a child care center, or

2) Adding a "Hoop de doo" style "live review" dinner there, or even better...a Disney story show (like Aladdin at DL) in the theatre.

3) Spending the $$$$ to make SSR a monorail resort

4) Adding a REAL horse arena there...with nighttime dinner shows (like Medieval times) that are "Victorian based" rather than Medieval. And, in the daytime, offer horse rides, and even Dressage lessons. They could also have horse races, where when you win, you win Disney merchandise...not money.

The issue with SSR is that with the size of the complex, the higher cost of points than OKW, but a more remote location than others, there is no "niche" for SSR that draws a large number of people. No matter what DVC adds to their resorts, they will always be competing with the lure of the parks as the "destination of choice". If they want to make SSR the true flagship, they either need to:
1) Improve access to the parks...thus, the monorail (which would make it the only DVC resort on the monorail)

or

2) Make it a "destination" to rival the parks. I do think that is what DVC was thinking when they placed it so close to DTD, but DTD does not compare to being right next to a park.

I do think SSR will come into its own, in time....but, partially due to its size, it will be the last place people will try to book because they will think they can "always stay there"...that fact alone makes SSR less desirable....and, that is really not fair to anyone, especially when you consider that SSR owners are paying more to own there than any DVC member has done in the initial offerings of any other DVC resort.

Personally, I would LOVE to see SSR become its own little "Mackinac Island"...where the place just becomes gracefully elegant in the evenings....where you could say, "Who wants to go to the parks when there is so much to do here?" I mean....we all get tired of going to the parks...having a serene, elegant retreat that truly is a "world of its own" would be a GREAT option. And, with all the space at SSR, it is DVC's best option for doing so. Someone suggested an "elegant" Mary Poppins theme...I think that would be REALLY cool. There is so much possibility there!!

:wave:

Beca

No disrespect and since you said you could handle the discussions here, this is the type of post I think makes SSR owners get hostile. Why do you think it needs fixing? Most and myself included like it the way it is. It's not broke.

I do not care for the BWV, but I would never try to get it fixed so I would like it. Many do like it and I can respect that and think they should leave it as it, so that those that love will be happy.

I truly just do not understand why some on this forum can't respect that many SSR owners are very happy there, and most that complain either don't own there or just like to stir the pot to get a response.

There will never be another SAB, and more than likely never any monorail expansion. I could care less for some major dinner theater attraction, what we love about SSR is the peace and quiet and the "remote" location. Which takes all of 15 minutes to get anywhere. No one has the factual information to state SSR is not being bought and used by many happy DVC members. I just do not understand why anyone thinks that is the case.

No one is making someone that does not own at SSR stay there. If a member waits too late to get their own resort and that is all that is available they can only blame themselves.

Dean
07-14-2006, 06:28 PM
Here's an interesting thought. Let's suppose for this scenario the resorts are the same size. Let's say that Resort 1 fully books during the priority window, with 30% of those bookings wanting to change to resort 2 at 7 months. Then let's say Resort 2 also books during the priority window, with 30% wanting to change to Resort 1 at 7 months. No one will cancel their ressie unless there is availability. Now we hear..."OMG, nothing available at 7 months", when in reality, there are an equal number of people at both resorts wanting to switch but unwilling to cancel until the other resort become available. It is a standoff. I just wonder how often something like that happens, and if it, too, could be part of the problem?It happens all the time. With II, they can handle this as long as both parties get what they want. With DVC, there's no "search" options, just a wait list. Of course one could try for direct exchanges but that's hit or miss at best. The problem is that each person would also have to be at the top of the wait list to match them up as one transaction.

No disrespect and since you said you could handle the discussions here, this is the type of post I think makes SSR owners get hostile. Why do you think it needs fixing? Most and myself included like it the way it is. It's not broke. Broke would be too strong a word, lacking in comparison might be a better position, at least in my view. If that's bashing, so be it.

I do not care for the BWV, but I would never try to get it fixed so I would like it. Many do like it and I can respect that and think they should leave it as it, so that those that love will be happy. We all have our preferences but that should not deter us from sharing our opinions.

I truly just do not understand why some on this forum can't respect that many SSR owners are very happy there, and most that complain either don't own there or just like to stir the pot to get a response. Neither from my standpoint, simply an intellectual discussion of pros and cons. Frankly I do not believe that the majority of owners at SSR bought because they loved SSR and only wanted to stay there. Same might be true for all DVC resorts to one degree or another, however I feel that a lower percentage of owners feel as you do about SSR compared to at least BCV, BWV & VWL, likely even OKW but to a lessor degree. That's cool, if you like it stay there. I don't care for BCV and love BWV and they are similar in many ways.
No one is making someone that does not own at SSR stay there. If a member waits too late to get their own resort and that is all that is available they can only blame themselves. One can and should book during the home resort priority hence the buy where you want to stay mantra.

Beca
07-14-2006, 06:58 PM
No disrespect and since you said you could handle the discussions here, this is the type of post I think makes SSR owners get hostile. Why do you think it needs fixing? Most and myself included like it the way it is. It's not broke.

I do not care for the BWV, but I would never try to get it fixed so I would like it. Many do like it and I can respect that and think they should leave it as it, so that those that love will be happy.

I truly just do not understand why some on this forum can't respect that many SSR owners are very happy there, and most that complain either don't own there or just like to stir the pot to get a response.

There will never be another SAB, and more than likely never any monorail expansion. I could care less for some major dinner theater attraction, what we love about SSR is the peace and quiet and the "remote" location. Which takes all of 15 minutes to get anywhere. No one has the factual information to state SSR is not being bought and used by many happy DVC members. I just do not understand why anyone thinks that is the case.

No one is making someone that does not own at SSR stay there. If a member waits too late to get their own resort and that is all that is available they can only blame themselves.

Sorry, Sammie...I don't mean to offend. However, if SSR is going to be 30% of the DVC rooms, I think it would be nice if it had enough amenities for 30% of DVC owners to say it is their 1st choice of a resort. I don't think that right now, that would be a true statement.

The truth of the matter is, that the more a resort has to OFFER, the more people will want to stay there...whether or not they choose to take advantage of it.

I do think that there are some who love SSR EXACTLY the way it is, but I think there are many who think improvements can be made. There are also many who think improvements can be made at ALL the DVC resorts, and as a BCV owner, I would certainly not mind at all if DVC chose to improve BCV in some way (such as "improving" the Marketplace like they did. And, I would certainly applaud enlarging B&C). I don't think there are very many SSR owners who are saying, "Man, I wish they hadn't put in the turf club....it really stinks that they did that." Maybe I am wrong....maybe you really liked the remoteness, and wish they would stop adding amenities to your resort. But, FWIW...I don't think people keep talking of improving SSR because it is an inferior resort, but because it is still being built, and sold....it would be very easy for DVC to ADD things to SSR, and they have....such as the Turf club restaurant. They are listening, so maybe we should be talking.

BTW, someone suggested earlier (I think it was Crisi), that WDW should re-open Ariel's at BCV. I would never suggest that someone was saying BCV was inferior because they feel that BCV "needs" Ariel's to re-open to be a great resort, but I certainly agree that having another restaurant (especially one themed after The Little Mermaid) would be a big plus!!!

Sorry if I offended...I am not saying the resort is bad....but, like all DVC resorts, it could be better for MANY people.

:wave:

Beca

2Princes2Princesses
07-14-2006, 07:28 PM
I personally think SSR has alot to offer. We bought DVC BECAUSE of SSR. I am trying out a studio at BWV in September, much to the annoyance of my husband, who did not want to stay there.

For February, I considered OKW (and will still be lobbying to try it on another trip) but my family, including my mom, who stayed at SSR with us in May was really mad and wanted SSR.

We love the remoteness (which is why I think they will also like the spread out community feel of OKW) and the activities are great. And while the resort has a remote feel, even I am bummed that we won't have the access to DTD in September that we are used to. I am trying to get everyone to agree to try the other resorts, just so we can say we did it. And we probably won't try BCV, I just don't feel it is worth the hassle of trying to book day by day at 7 mos. OKW is actually the only place besides BWV I REALLY want to try out.

I agree that the size of the resort may make it harder for those (who own at BCV, VWL, and BWV) who cannot book at 11 mos and have to wait til the window opens. For our fall trip, it is hard for us to do that as well, since DH's vacation varies in the fall and he does not find out until Feb when he has off.

To add a huge themed pool that draws alot of people or to add multiple restaurants or things like that.....well, that is not why I bought SSR. I bought it because I love it the way it is. Had I wanted the hustle and bustle, I would have bought at BWV or BCV through resale.

We are adding on when we stay at SSR in February. DH has already told me that even if the next DVC is on the steps of the castle...he wants the add on at SSR. :teeth:

I think the guides need to encourage prospective buyers to stay at SSR, experience what it does have to offer, and get them to fall in love with it like we did, NOT to tell them..."Oh, buy here, stay at BCV" I do think that contributes to the problem, more so than SSR being lacking in some way.

I do get my panties in a bunch about the SSR bashing too. It is such a great resort and we just love it so much, that of course I get defensive. But I think it would be this way with anything. If SSR came first and was smaller, and they added a HUGE wing onto BCV, there would be SSR owners on here complaining about not being able to get a room at SSR and how BCV was too big or noisy or whatever. So I take it all with a grain of salt. If you have never stayed at SSR, try it. You may find you love it, I have seen some who were pleasantly surprised. If you have stayed and don't like it, that is your opinion and I am glad you at least gave it a shot. :)

I personally am awaiting the fireworks if DVC opens a monorail resort. Because that will be booked like hotcakes at 7 months out, so anyone who cannot make ressies in the priority window will be SOL.

HUFF590
07-14-2006, 07:40 PM
I personally think SSR has alot to offer. We bought DVC BECAUSE of SSR. I am trying out a studio at BWV in September, much to the annoyance of my husband, who did not want to stay there.

For February, I considered OKW (and will still be lobbying to try it on another trip) but my family, including my mom, who stayed at SSR with us in May was really mad and wanted SSR.

We love the remoteness (which is why I think they will also like the spread out community feel of OKW) and the activities are great. And while the resort has a remote feel, even I am bummed that we won't have the access to DTD in September that we are used to. I am trying to get everyone to agree to try the other resorts, just so we can say we did it. And we probably won't try BCV, I just don't feel it is worth the hassle of trying to book day by day at 7 mos. OKW is actually the only place besides BWV I REALLY want to try out.

I agree that the size of the resort may make it harder for those (who own at BCV, VWL, and BWV) who cannot book at 11 mos and have to wait til the window opens. For our fall trip, it is hard for us to do that as well, since DH's vacation varies in the fall and he does not find out until Feb when he has off.

To add a huge themed pool that draws alot of people or to add multiple restaurants or things like that.....well, that is not why I bought SSR. I bought it because I love it the way it is. Had I wanted the hustle and bustle, I would have bought at BWV or BCV through resale.

We are adding on when we stay at SSR in February. DH has already told me that even if the next DVC is on the steps of the castle...he wants the add on at SSR. :teeth:

I think the guides need to encourage prospective buyers to stay at SSR, experience what it does have to offer, and get them to fall in love with it like we did, NOT to tell them..."Oh, buy here, stay at BCV" I do think that contributes to the problem, more so than SSR being lacking in some way.

I do get my panties in a bunch about the SSR bashing too. It is such a great resort and we just love it so much, that of course I get defensive. But I think it would be this way with anything. If SSR came first and was smaller, and they added a HUGE wing onto BCV, there would be SSR owners on here complaining about not being able to get a room at SSR and how BCV was too big or noisy or whatever. So I take it all with a grain of salt. If you have never stayed at SSR, try it. You may find you love it, I have seen some who were pleasantly surprised. If you have stayed and don't like it, that is your opinion and I am glad you at least gave it a shot. :)

I personally am awaiting the fireworks if DVC opens a monorail resort. Because that will be booked like hotcakes at 7 months out, so anyone who cannot make ressies in the priority window will be SOL.


Alot of SSR owners feel this way, its hard to believe but we really do like it the way it is, I like it even better now with the Turf Club. It is laid back, but guess what? A five minute walk and you have all the hustle and bustle you want at DTD.

Sammie
07-14-2006, 08:02 PM
Beca, not offended really, just think that it comes across on these forums, not necessarily your post but others, that SSR is inferior. I just do not see that. It is different, but different is not inferior. It's large, but that is ok too.

I am all for improvements. I have no problem with the addition of the Turf Club, I used to really enjoy Seasons when it was in that location. I don't want them to add something that will take away from the quietness of the resort, as it is probably what we like best. Which is a reason we really like OKW.

I guess my point is that some wonder why SSR owners get defensive, and by the way we don't own there at this time, considering an addon.

If I said the one thing about the Yacht and Beach Club resort that I dislike the most was the addition of DVC, I am sure some would get defensive about that. I just think it is natural when one really likes something to be somewhat protective of others wanting to change it.

Muushka
07-14-2006, 08:16 PM
Excellent suggestion, WDW could use a fresh Dinner Show...or if nothing else, a reincarnation of Broadway at the Top that used to be where CA Grill is now. Or even some play having to do with the "horse" theme of the resort.

I loved that Broadway show!

I know, :offtopic:

Beca
07-14-2006, 09:08 PM
If I said the one thing about the Yacht and Beach Club resort that I dislike the most was the addition of DVC, I am sure some would get defensive about that. I just think it is natural when one really likes something to be somewhat protective of others wanting to change it.


Actually, I have heard that A LOT on the resort board....and, it is a fair statement. If I was a die hard YC/BC fan....I might be a little "miffed" about that. I have even heard of CM's at the BCV telling hotel guests things to the effect of "This place has really gone downhill since they let the DVC people in". They talk about us unloading our Walmart grocery bags in the lobby, and trying to "stuff" too many people into the room. Some CM's definitely think we are the "crack dealers" of the resort. :rotfl2: I'll still never forget the time when I added my dh and dd into my mom's room (on my points...we were staying offsite for a competition). They made ME check everyone in, since my name was on the contract, and they were too busy pin-trading with Art. The CM at the check-in counter told me no less than FIVE times that, although the rest of my party could swim at SAB, that I was NOT to do so, and that I was NOT allowed to sleep on an air mattress in the room!! :rotfl2: I thought...."Boy, she really thinks we are trash!!" I thought it was REALLY funny!!

I have to admit....I did get a little nervous when the BCV GM said they were "remodeling" the BCV :scared1: But, then I took a deep breath and said, "Well....maybe it will be better?!" And seriously...who doesn't want new mattresses and sleeper sofas? :love:

But, if DVC made an announcement that they were "improving" BCV by adding more amenities....I'd be all over that!!! Hot air balloons are part of the theming, so if they offered Hot Air balloon rides off the tennis courts...I'd say, "Bring 'em on!!" And, if they want to re-open Ariel's...ABSOLUTELY!!! And, if they want have Ariel standing the BCV lobby to greet guests as they arrive...LET's GO!!!! AND....if they want to hire Johnny Depp to pose for pictures every day at SAB....well, that one would be "iffy"....but, I guess I would just have to endure it. ;) But, it would never occur to me to say, "Why are they doing this? Does this mean there is something WRONG with my resort? Are people saying it's not good enough that they should have to "add" to it? I guess I don't care WHAT the reason is....I'd take Johnny Depp anyway I can get him!!! pirate:

Beca

2Princes2Princesses
07-14-2006, 09:18 PM
I guess I don't care WHAT the reason is....I'd take Johnny Depp anyway I can get him!!! pirate:

Beca


I love SSR the way it is, but Mr. Depp is more than welcome to share it in any way he sees fit. :rotfl:

I would be booking the "Johnny Depp view" at 11 months out...day by day.

I do think a small ice cream stand would be great at SSR.

This is a good a place as any to mention this, but I thought about it earlier....I paid a buttload of money at a place 1200 miles a way to stay at a resort themed after somewhere I could drive to in an hour. :confused3

:rotfl: Maybe that is why I am so sensitive. It really does remind me of home. Now all they need is 90 inches of snow.

Beca
07-14-2006, 09:32 PM
Now all they need is 90 inches of snow.

Now, I'd be booking that view day-bay-day for sure!!!

:wave:

Beca

gjw007
07-14-2006, 09:55 PM
Actually, DVC can restrict us to booking only our home resort. This is extremely unlikely, of course, but they do have the ability to do so by our contracts. I imagine we may see his put into effect about 2040, to control bookings during the last years of the original DVC resorts. Of course, there may be no problem, even then...who knows. But just clarifying that DVC does have the ability to do that.

Just as they can restrict an individuals usage of points if the building they own is destroyed by some sort of catastrophe. They seemed to try to plan for all the "what ifs" they could when they designed the program.
Chuck:
I understand that but the points that was coming across in some of the postings appear to have a different purpose. I will leave it that there are some very passionate opinions on the subject and leave it there. But I do disagree with the sentiment of these posts.

I think Beca has the right approach in making some suggesting in improving SSR but I think that all the resorts could use some positive suggestions, not just SSR. I like it as it is but really there are always improvements that can be made as long as it does lose its charm.

KLEONARD
07-14-2006, 10:15 PM
I have been reading the posts about SSR. I googled “Saratoga Springs Resort Architect”. I came up with Graham Gund. I googled Graham Gund. He is an architect who is credited with working on Vero Beach, Coronado Springs, Saratoga Springs and the Celebration Hotel. Gund is known for designing on college campuses. Clusters of individual buildings set into distinct neighborhoods. The grounds are left with space for water features and landscaping.
WDW had 65 acres to work with for SSR. If another DVC is to be built on a large parcel of land, in my opinion, Gund may have the inside track. The building process at SSR sounds like steel framing with cast-concrete construction. This technique explains why the buildings are going up so quickly, as apposed to traditional "stick" built construction. This new construction is supposed to be relatively maintenance free (hopefully lower fees for SSR owners). It may also explain the concrete hallways that are semi-open to the elements. Noise dampening is a side benefit to this type of building.
Will Disney build more CSR and SSR type projects? Probably. They seem to work (I think all the proposed phases of SSR are built or are nearly complete. I own at SSR, that is why I was so curious about these mundane details. I will be going in Sept for my wife's Birthday. I will be trying to take a good look at the new buildings, after reading about the construction details.
It all boils down to the future of DVC. SSR is bigger than the previous resorts. Does Disney think it failed in this endeavor? On the contrary, sales SEEM to be progressing as fast as construction. The newest Villas (Grandstand?) and the accompanying pool look like a great location. I like the way the architect has filled the grounds. I agree with the other SSR owners. I bought there because I was impressed with the quality. Now that I understand the thought process behind the size of the resort, I can appreciate it even more. In the end, to each his/her own.
But if you hear the name of Gund on the next DVC project, take a good look at SSR. You might be looking at the future of DVC.

HUFF590
07-14-2006, 10:40 PM
I have been reading the posts about SSR. I googled “Saratoga Springs Resort Architect”. I came up with Graham Gund. I googled Graham Gund. He is an architect who is credited with working on Vero Beach, Coronado Springs, Saratoga Springs and the Celebration Hotel. Gund is known for designing on college campuses. Clusters of individual buildings set into distinct neighborhoods. The grounds are left with space for water features and landscaping.
WDW had 65 acres to work with for SSR. If another DVC is to be built on a large parcel of land, in my opinion, Gund may have the inside track. The building process at SSR sounds like steel framing with cast-concrete construction. This technique explains why the buildings are going up so quickly, as apposed to traditional "stick" built construction. This new construction is supposed to be relatively maintenance free (hopefully lower fees for SSR owners). It may also explain the concrete hallways that are semi-open to the elements. Noise dampening is a side benefit to this type of building.
Will Disney build more CSR and SSR type projects? Probably. They seem to work (I think all the proposed phases of SSR are built or are nearly complete. I own at SSR, that is why I was so curious about these mundane details. I will be going in Sept for my wife's Birthday. I will be trying to take a good look at the new buildings, after reading about the construction details.
It all boils down to the future of DVC. SSR is bigger than the previous resorts. Does Disney think it failed in this endeavor? On the contrary, sales SEEM to be progressing as fast as construction. The newest Villas (Grandstand?) and the accompanying pool look like a great location. I like the way the architect has filled the grounds. I agree with the other SSR owners. I bought there because I was impressed with the quality. Now that I understand the thought process behind the size of the resort, I can appreciate it even more. In the end, to each his/her own.
But if you hear the name of Gund on the next DVC project, take a good look at SSR. You might be looking at the future of DVC.


Thank you for the research .I think Disney new exactly what they wanted in SSR and I think it will continue to grow on alot of people.

rinkwide
07-14-2006, 11:29 PM
...I think Disney new exactly what they wanted in SSR...Maintained margin.

seabright1
07-14-2006, 11:45 PM
But if you hear the name of Gund on the next DVC project, take a good look at SSR. You might be looking at the future of DVC.

A housing project?

2Princes2Princesses
07-15-2006, 08:36 AM
A housing project?


Oh boy...... popcorn::

Chuck S
07-15-2006, 08:43 AM
A reminder, discussion of the 7 month window is NOT an open invitation to resort bash.

jjohnson
07-15-2006, 09:39 AM
This is a good a place as any to mention this, but I thought about it earlier....I paid a buttload of money at a place 1200 miles a way to stay at a resort themed after somewhere I could drive to in an hour. :confused3



My DH said the same thing before we bought "we could stay at the Gideon/Putnam for ALOT less money"

jjohnson
07-15-2006, 09:42 AM
A housing project?

Oh ENOUGH already!

crisi
07-15-2006, 10:25 AM
I have been reading the posts about SSR. I googled “Saratoga Springs Resort Architect”. I came up with Graham Gund. I googled Graham Gund. He is an architect who is credited with working on Vero Beach, Coronado Springs, Saratoga Springs and the Celebration Hotel. Gund is known for designing on college campuses. Clusters of individual buildings set into distinct neighborhoods. The grounds are left with space for water features and landscaping.
WDW had 65 acres to work with for SSR. If another DVC is to be built on a large parcel of land, in my opinion, Gund may have the inside track. The building process at SSR sounds like steel framing with cast-concrete construction. This technique explains why the buildings are going up so quickly, as apposed to traditional "stick" built construction. This new construction is supposed to be relatively maintenance free (hopefully lower fees for SSR owners). It may also explain the concrete hallways that are semi-open to the elements. Noise dampening is a side benefit to this type of building.
Will Disney build more CSR and SSR type projects? Probably. They seem to work (I think all the proposed phases of SSR are built or are nearly complete. I own at SSR, that is why I was so curious about these mundane details. I will be going in Sept for my wife's Birthday. I will be trying to take a good look at the new buildings, after reading about the construction details.
It all boils down to the future of DVC. SSR is bigger than the previous resorts. Does Disney think it failed in this endeavor? On the contrary, sales SEEM to be progressing as fast as construction. The newest Villas (Grandstand?) and the accompanying pool look like a great location. I like the way the architect has filled the grounds. I agree with the other SSR owners. I bought there because I was impressed with the quality. Now that I understand the thought process behind the size of the resort, I can appreciate it even more. In the end, to each his/her own.
But if you hear the name of Gund on the next DVC project, take a good look at SSR. You might be looking at the future of DVC.

And if that is the case, if you want to enjoy the smaller resorts regularly, buy a contract there and utilize your home advantage. Some percentage of ALL resort owners enjoy the flexibility of staying "somewhere other than their home." As I said earlier, there will always be less than 200 rooms at VWL (sorry, VWL guys, its small and the BCVs folk get picked on enough) - with each member that is added who has any desire to stay at VWL, the competition for those rooms increases. And while a CRV or VAKL might be interesting, if it isn't large, the competition at seven months may be such that most people never get an opportunity to stay if they don't own - or don't know how to work the system. Even knowing the system may turn this more into a Cindy's breakfast dial-a-thon than I'd like to participate in.

I do think there is some "walling in" with people unable to cancel where they are because what they have is booked working from both ends. I also think the loophole of transferred points is biting people - particularly with rentals. I think that a lot of resort owners are booking reservations and renting, but that is their perogative. I also think that the waitlist is "bent" - that if Beca cancels her reservation, and Chuck calls before the waitlist batch is run to see I'm on the waitlist, Chuck will get the room - and his perception is that "I got BCVs at five months - I don't know why there is this big deal about seven months" while I think that the waitlist isn't working (I think bent is a better description than broken, since from DVCs perspective, it works).

LoveMyDVC2
07-15-2006, 11:54 AM
As a proud owner of SSR I feel that I can't be the only new owner who wants to try all the other DVC resorts. Think about it, all these new owners...why wouldn't they want to see what is out there. Me included. I also should add that while I have a reservation at SSR for my next vacation, I plan to try and get VWL at the 7 month window.(last year we stayed at BWV) Not because I don't like SSR, but because according to some discussion on the DIS, it will become harder to get into one of these resorts as time goes by. Is it wrong to believe that I should try other resorts now while I can. Before it gets too difficult?

I bought SSR because I loved it. I think the location is great (DTD), I love that there is a spa there, and I also love the relaxed feeling there. That being said, I can't wait until I have tried them all so that I can feel like I CAN stay at my beloved SSR.

Perhaps, a lot of SSR owners just want to TRY things out elsewhere while we can. Maybe this will ease all you BCV, BWV, and VWL owners. Maybe in 5 years when all the SSR owners have made it through all the DVC properties, the ease of booking at 7 months will even out.

Just a thought :teeth:
Pam

Chuck S
07-15-2006, 12:02 PM
As a proud owner of SSR I feel that I can't be the only new owner who wants to try all the other DVC resorts. Think about it, all these new owners...why wouldn't they want to see what is out there. Me included. I also should add that while I have a reservation at SSR for my next vacation, I plan to try and get VWL at the 7 month window.(last year we stayed at BWV) Not because I don't like SSR, but because according to some discussion on the DIS, it will become harder to get into one of these resorts as time goes by. Is it wrong to believe that I should try other resorts now while I can. Before it gets too difficult?

I bought SSR because I loved it. I think the location is great (DTD), I love that there is a spa there, and I also love the relaxed feeling there. That being said, I can't wait until I have tried them all so that I can feel like I CAN stay at my beloved SSR.

Perhaps, a lot of SSR owners just want to TRY things out elsewhere while we can. Maybe this will ease all you BCV, BWV, and VWL owners. Maybe in 5 years when all the SSR owners have made it through all the DVC properties, the ease of booking at 7 months will even out.

Just a thought :teeth:
Pam

This is true, also. Many existing members try a new resort when it opens, there are always reviews posted shortly after opening day. Why shouldn't the reverse also be true, that new members want to try the existing resorts?

starbox
07-15-2006, 12:12 PM
Perhaps, a lot of SSR owners just want to TRY things out elsewhere while we can.

I agree. We :love: WDW in part because of the resorts. I'm a resort hopper, and we collect our little pins from each place we stay and take pictures in the lobby. One thing that made DVC attractive was that it opened up all the resorts including the DVC specific ones. Sure, I could have rented points or gone through CRO - but at some point it made more sense to be a DVC member.

We own at SSR. I'd like to try the other resorts once and I'm sure I'll want to try whatever new resorts they open at least once. It seems like there is often an assumption that people "choose" one resort and that's it, but I think a lot of DVC members just like Disney. I also like the AP discount on other resorts and will continue to stay in non DVC WDW resorts despite the membership.

seabright1
07-15-2006, 12:15 PM
This is true, also. Many existing members try a new resort when it opens, there are always reviews posted shortly after opening day. Why shouldn't the reverse also be true, that new members want to try the existing resorts?

Tried BCV, OKW, WVL and they resorts with "some" AWE. 2 months ago, I was forced to try Saratoga because there are no availabilities at the resorts with "some" AWE. This has not happened before Saratoga Springs. NOthing against the owners, but I am really upset at DVC for building that thing. I can say that the experience 2 months ago was "ful" of AW.
Lesson learned: If I don't want "leftovers" book early.

gjw007
07-15-2006, 03:12 PM
I wonder, if I were a perspective owner of DVC, after reading this thread, would I want to get a DVC ownership? Probably not! And that would include BCV, BMW, OKW, and VWL in addition to SSR.

Sammie
07-15-2006, 04:13 PM
I wonder, if I were a perspective owner of DVC, after reading this thread, would I want to get a DVC ownership? Probably not! And that would include BCV, BMW, OKW, and VWL in addition to SSR.

No offense, but truly if a perspective owner of DVC lets anything posted to these forums make or break their decision, then I agree they should not buy.

We are dealing with people's opinions here, they would do good to remember that.

DebbieB
07-15-2006, 05:16 PM
This is true, also. Many existing members try a new resort when it opens, there are always reviews posted shortly after opening day. Why shouldn't the reverse also be true, that new members want to try the existing resorts?

The thing that concerns me are reports that DVC guides are pushing people who want to stay at BCV, BWV or VWL to buy SSR and then reserve elsewhere at 7 months. Those people should be buying where they want to stay if they don't want to stay at SSR.

I've never been to SSR so I really can't comment much but I noticed that when we stayed at OKW in April that some of the units are very close to the road in the area of the intersection of DVC Drive & Buena Vista. Seems like they would be far from everything plus road noise.

crisi
07-15-2006, 07:09 PM
The thing that concerns me are reports that DVC guides are pushing people who want to stay at BCV, BWV or VWL to buy SSR and then reserve elsewhere at 7 months. Those people should be buying where they want to stay if they don't want to stay at SSR.

I've never been to SSR so I really can't comment much but I noticed that when we stayed at OKW in April that some of the units are very close to the road in the area of the intersection of DVC Drive & Buena Vista. Seems like they would be far from everything plus road noise.


Its not more or less fair than the older members, who were told the same things and may have assumed that the system would grow as it had for the past three resort.

seabright1
07-15-2006, 09:30 PM
I wonder, if I were a perspective owner of DVC, after reading this thread, would I want to get a DVC ownership? Probably not! And that would include BCV, BMW, OKW, and VWL in addition to SSR.

If DVC is going to that push thru with "apartment complex" type resorts in the future, I will strongly discourage people I know or meet to rethink before they purchase DVC (even resales of VWL, OKW, BWV & BCV) because it probably will be very difficult and more stressful to book at the preferred those older and truly beautiful resorts in the future.

seabright1
07-15-2006, 09:34 PM
The thing that concerns me are reports that DVC guides are pushing people who want to stay at BCV, BWV or VWL to buy SSR and then reserve elsewhere at 7 months. Those people should be buying where they want to stay if they don't want to stay at SSR.

I've never been to SSR so I really can't comment much but I noticed that when we stayed at OKW in April that some of the units are very close to the road in the area of the intersection of DVC Drive & Buena Vista. Seems like they would be far from everything plus road noise.

You got that right too. With the other resorts I felt that there was a clear demarcation from the outside world. Not so with saratoga. I felt like I was really in an apartment complex outside of Disney.

Sammie
07-15-2006, 09:37 PM
You got that right too. With the other resorts I felt that there was a clear demarcation from the outside world. Not so with saratoga. I felt like I was really in an apartment complex outside of Disney.

I think Debbie was referring to the units at OKW that are so close to the road.

You can't get much closer to the road than part of BCV does. Any closer and there will tire marks on the carpet.

TCPluto
07-15-2006, 09:40 PM
...... but a more remote location than others, there is no "niche" for SSR that draws a large number of people. Beca

I understand your points, and agree that cost on many of them is likely the prohibitive factor.

But t his statement always has me amazed. What is it in reality, 2-3 minutes farther away than OKW? I don't get it and would submit that the impression of it being so hugely remote of a location is an undeserved comment.

Sammie
07-15-2006, 09:46 PM
I understand your points, and agree that cost on many of them is likely the prohibitive factor.

But t his statement always has me amazed. What is it in reality, 2-3 minutes farther away than OKW? I don't get it and would submit that the impression of it being so hugely remote of a location is an undeserved comment.

Location is relevant to opinion of what is important to the someone. SSR and OKW are very centrally located to all parks. VWL is close to MK, but not the others and same with BCV and BWV being close to Epcot and MGM but not AKL and MK.

We love DD so SSR is very close to what we like.

seabright1
07-15-2006, 10:20 PM
I think Debbie was referring to the units at OKW that are so close to the road.

You can't get much closer to the road than part of BCV does. Any closer and there will tire marks on the carpet.

Yes. You are right. My mistake

Beca
07-15-2006, 11:28 PM
I understand your points, and agree that cost on many of them is likely the prohibitive factor.

But t his statement always has me amazed. What is it in reality, 2-3 minutes farther away than OKW? I don't get it and would submit that the impression of it being so hugely remote of a location is an undeserved comment.

No offense, but...that is what happens when you only quote PART of someone's sentence. The whole quote went:

"The issue with SSR is that with the size of the complex, the higher cost of points than OKW, but a more remote location than others, there is no "niche" for SSR that draws a large number of people."

I also should've included smaller rooms than OKW. But, my point here is that I actually do consider OKW a more remote location, too. I didn't until, while visiting there with my then 3yr old dd....one day as we were driving to a park, she asked, "Mom, the next time we come to WDW, can we STAY at WDW?" My dh and I looked at each other, and replied, "Honey, we ARE at WDW...WDW is a very big place." She thought for a moment and said, "Okay....the next time we come to WDW, can we stay at a place that you don't have to DRIVE to?" :blush: Yep, our points went up for sale when we returned home.

In my mind (JMHO), OKW and SSR are VERY similar. However, given the choice, I would always choose OKW over SSR because:
1) it is a more compact resort
2) the rooms are bigger
3) the rooms are cheaper
4) parking is closer to your door

And on a related note....I just re-read the "Changed from OKW to SSR" thread and noticed that a few days ago, a poster said:

"I have stayed every place but VWL. Liked every place, but HH... so...."

And, interestingly....not ONE HH owner has come to say, "I am so tired of people trashing HH on these boards. Okay...some of us actually bought there because we LIKE it!!" :rotfl2:

But seriously....sometimes it seems like you are free to say you don't like any DVC resort EXCEPT SSR (at least, without ramifications). We ALL like some better than others...sometimes, I would like to read people's HONEST opinions, instead of their politically correct ones....but, maybe that is just me.

:confused3

Beca

TCPluto
07-16-2006, 11:58 AM
No offense, but...that is what happens when you only quote PART of someone's sentence. The whole quote went:

"The issue with SSR is that with the size of the complex, the higher cost of points than OKW, but a more remote location than others, there is no "niche" for SSR that draws a large number of people."Beca

I don't think I edited out the point she was making, at least the point I think she was making: "but a more remote location than the others". I took "others" to mean other DVC resorts, and their relative location to the parks.

The post about SSR being so far away is mentioned quite a lot throughout various threads, and I just don't get it.