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ECurto
02-04-2006, 04:55 PM
Hi Everyone~

Let me start by saying im not looking for a debate here.

I know 3 years ago (when we were planning) I was floored to hear Disney didn’t do same sex unions (which they called marriage) as it "did not promote family values, or meet state guidelines" However I heard lately that they do, although I haven’t found any proof of it. I was hoping somebody here may know. My dream would of been to have our ceremony there.

Its a shame that people on both side of the situation (gay and religious/government) cant just come to an agreement on this topic. I personally don’t get why gay people insist on "marriage". Marriage is religious, and i think should be between a man and women. What i want is all the same rights, and benefits, which comes out of a legal ceremony. Call it a "union" "ceremony" or "film flam" for all i care. I don’t get why both sides have to be so stubborn.

So...umm....yea... does Disney do that now? LOL! :rotfl2:

WDWCM
02-04-2006, 07:00 PM
I do not know if this helps but I got this from Disney Weddings. (It won't let me post the URL, so you know what to add to the end of that.) It is in the Wedding Guides section under Common Questions.

What documents will I need for my Disney wedding?
Proof of a valid Florida marriage license is required prior to hosting your wedding ceremony at the Walt Disney World® Resort. Sorry, but passports are not acceptable as proof of marriage. If a previous marriage ended in divorce within 90 days in the state of Florida, or in the past year out of state, a copy of the divorce decree is required. Both bride and groom must be present to obtain the license.


I would imagine that means that WDW does not do same sex unions as a same sex couple would not be able to obtain a valid Florida marriage license (yet). The site does have a phone number to contact a wedding planner that might have more info.

gayminnie
02-04-2006, 09:48 PM
Call it a "Pink Flamingo" celebration. :rotfl:

mickeysaver
02-04-2006, 09:48 PM
But, there might be a loophole. Some years ago we looked into this and they do offer a vow renewal. The only requirement at the time was proof of a marriage certificate. You can get one of those in Canada and a few other places....just not here. Anyway, maybe you could book a vow renewal, which is basically a wedding without need for a valid FL license. One day, maybe, I can talk Gabby into this. LOL Not that I doubt our ability to stay together for many many years to come, but I just can't see us ever having the money to make that dream come true. But, a dream is a wish your heart makes....and at Disney they say that all of your wishes will come true. Maggie

Moirakris
02-05-2006, 01:21 AM
found this out for you (sorry cant post actual URL. im too new to the site)

Quoted from the site
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T&KHayes
02-05-2006, 10:58 AM
Moirakris- Thank you for the info! Where did you find that? It's obviously a secondary company, I wonder if there are any fellow diser's out there who have taken advantage of that or if this is something new. If it is new, I am wondering if this has already been pre-arranged with Disney or if it would be a surprise to them when the couple who shows up haapens to be same sex? :confused3

T&KHayes
02-05-2006, 11:29 AM
LOL Never mind, I answered my own question this morning while surfing. If anyone else wants the same info. it is from www.gaydays.com (http://www.gaydays.com). It looks like it is at a Hotel near WDW.

ANTSS2001
02-06-2006, 12:52 AM
:thumbsup2

Kevin&Randall
02-06-2006, 07:05 PM
Why not book yourself as a 'convention.' I would think if you are willing to rent the space and pay the banquet fees, why would they care what is going on? I guess if you specifically want a ceremony in the Wedding Pavilion, Disney may get a bit fussy. But there are wonderful locations all around Disney World to have a commitment ceremony.

Randall

:rainbow:

ECurto
02-08-2006, 05:37 AM
Well here is proff of what we all face everyday.

"joeyrulesall says:

I read all the new posts not by section , just by clicking new posts. I dont
care what he does privatley im just sickened that he has to pick a childrens
theme park to marry a man. I believe in protecting children from sick things ,
not stirring!"

Atleast the mods over on the wedding board cleared it up. It just makes me sick. Atleast we have friends on the other boards looking out for us!

T&KHayes
02-08-2006, 10:02 AM
Oh! This just makes me sick to my stomach and sad all at the same time. It's one thing to have your own opinion, but this guy is going to perpetuate it by passing it along to his kids (if he has any). I know that as a parent, passing down our own morals and values is part of raising them, so it's typical. I just feel sorry for kids that are being raised in this day and age with that type of intolerance. It can't make it easy for them especially with kids like mine who are very open about having 2 mom's. We have been pretty lucky so far, most of DS's little friends/classmates are just jealous that they don't have 2 mom's. One of his little buddies lives in the same neighborhood as us and we were chating with his mom one day and she said, "You know you're not making it very easy for me, Robert has always wanted bunkbeds and he said Bubba has one, and now that he knows he has 2 moms! He thinks it's not fair that he doesn't get bunkbeds or 2 mom's!" We just laughed! DD13 has had to deal with some ribbing, but she is very outspoken and usually just tells them to buzz off, or something else typical of a teenager :rolleyes: . Unfortunately it's jus a part of life, as much as I wish it wasn't.

Sarah_Elizabeth
02-13-2006, 08:15 AM
Well here is proff of what we all face everyday.

"joeyrulesall says:

I read all the new posts not by section , just by clicking new posts. I dont
care what he does privatley im just sickened that he has to pick a childrens
theme park to marry a man. I believe in protecting children from sick things ,
not stirring!"

Atleast the mods over on the wedding board cleared it up. It just makes me sick. Atleast we have friends on the other boards looking out for us!


Actually, I agree with him, and it's not because I'm homophobic in any way, shape or form. I see nothing wrong with choosing who you want to be with. What I disagree with is choosing a CHILDREN'S place to make a public display. I don't have pictures of me hugging and kissing my boyfriend all over the internet, so I don't see why you need to either. Whether it's biological or just a life decision, you know that your choice is one that makes a lot of people uncomfortable to see. While you may say "screw them," you're being selfish when it comes to children. They're at a very vulnerable age where they don't understand things like that. I would never make out with my boyfriend some place where I knew little children would be. I know someone who's gay and whenever he's home you'd NEVER know it. He never talks about it, never calls anyone his "boyfriend" and would never kiss or hug a man in front of his family. That's the way it should be. No one should need to announce or show off their sexual preference. Neither of us goes around announcing we're straight or making a production of our rights, so I don't know why so many gay people feel the need to have gay pride or march in a parade. It's not something I can understand, as a straight person I'd never flaunt it, and if I did I'd be considered homophobic. Are you heterophobic? I think if you did things quietly and blended into society instead of trying to stand out and show you're proud of being gay, people would be more accepting of things, but you force people into trying to understand something that they can't see as natural. I'm going to get a million replies from people flying off the handle and I couldn't care less. I have absolutely no hate in my heart. My opinion is my constitutional right, just as much as yours. And if you'd stop for a minute and think outside your defenses, you'd understand what I'm saying.

mickeyfan1
02-13-2006, 08:38 AM
Wow, Sarah Elizabeth has some very strong feelings. And it is certainly her right to express them

Actually, I agree with him, and it's not because I'm homophobic in any way, shape or form. Yes you are, everything you type from this statement on SCREAM homophobia.

I see nothing wrong with choosing who you want to be with. What I disagree with is choosing a CHILDREN'S place to make a public display. Children's place? Because I missed the OP, (maybe on a differnt board) I am thinking that you mean WDW? Soory toots, but WDW is an adult place too. Have you ever been there? Ever seen the thousands of adults with no children enjoying themselves?


I don't have pictures of me hugging and kissing my boyfriend all over the internet, so I don't see why you need to either. Personal choice again, you don't have to look.

Whether it's biological or just a life decision, you know that your choice is one that makes a lot of people uncomfortable to see. While you may say "screw them," you're being selfish when it comes to children. They're at a very vulnerable age where they don't understand things like that. Wait, I am uncomfortable at church, revivals, and all things religious. I wouldn't dare expose a child to any of that!

I would never make out with my boyfriend some place where I knew little children would be. Well good for you, missy. I wouldn't swap spit with anyone in a public place either, but lots of others do. Guess what, I don't have to watch.

I know someone who's gay and whenever he's home you'd NEVER know it. He never talks about it, never calls anyone his "boyfriend" and would never kiss or hug a man in front of his family. That's the way it should be. No one should need to announce or show off their sexual preference. Neither of us goes around announcing we're straight or making a production of our rights, so I don't know why so many gay people feel the need to have gay pride or march in a parade. It's not something I can understand, as a straight person I'd never flaunt it, and if I did I'd be considered homophobic. Are you heterophobic? I think if you did things quietly and blended into society instead of trying to stand out and show you're proud of being gay, people would be more accepting of things, but you force people into trying to understand something that they can't see as natural. I'm going to get a million replies from people flying off the handle and I couldn't care less. I have absolutely no hate in my heart. My opinion is my constitutional right, just as much as yours. And if you'd stop for a minute and think outside your defenses, you'd understand what I'm saying.

Sweetie, you need to re read everything you wrote. Substitute black in many of your phrases and see how it sounds. Gays shouldn't be proud of who they are? Then neither should anyone else. I feel badly for your friend whom you say can't tell his friends or family about his life. And I feel badly for you that you try to impose your views on others in the name of being Christian. I am personnaly offended by it.

Hate the sin, not the sinner.

Let he who is with out sin cast the first stone.

Judge not leat ye be judged.

Many other words in your bible to think about.

gabbysmom04
02-13-2006, 09:27 AM
Wow these people make me sick! A gay couple should have the same rights as a straight couple. How can some people be so stupid? What do people think they are protecting marriage from? Over half of all married people get divorced. BTW Sarah Elizabeth you are homophobic and in MOPO people like you are what is wrong with this world. Honey people like you promote hate! I understand what you are saying, I understand that you are a homophobic person who thinks that gays should hide in the closet! maybe you don't go around making a production of your rights because you have them. I prey that my children never grow up thinking like you! BTW I am a married woman, my best friend is gay and I would never ask her to hide who she is from my kids or the world. I also find it very hard to believe that you never show your boyfriend affection when you are in public.

pjpoohbear
02-13-2006, 10:32 AM
What I disagree with is choosing a CHILDREN'S place to make a public display.

I stopped reading your post at this point because you surely have forgotten why Walt Disney chose to build Disneyland and started the plans for WDW. Both locations were to be places for FAMILIES, not just CHILDREN, and if one does not let the younger generations develope thier own ideas and identities, then the problems of the past will never go away!

PJ

luvmydogs
02-13-2006, 11:00 AM
Actually, I agree with him, and it's not because I'm homophobic in any way, shape or form.....

I must be a horrible mother. I began explaining homosexuality to my ds10 when he got off the bus in 1st grade and wanted to know what a f** was, because "so-and-so" had been called one. It was actually quite easy for him, even at such a young age, to understand the concept that sometimes men love men or women love women just like Mommy and Daddy love each other, and really didn't see it as a big deal at all. In fact, a few years later we saw two men at the grocery store holding hands. Ds said, "They're gay, right?" "I think so, honey." "They love each other, right?" "Yep." "Oh, OK." No muss, no fuss, no harm, no foul. Now, I'm not a big fan of extreme PDA's, but why oh why is it harmful for a child to see a hug or a kiss as an expression of affection between two people--any two people? It is offensive and sad to me that so many turn this into an Us (staight) vs. Them (gay) issue.

RickinNYC
02-13-2006, 01:28 PM
Actually, I agree with him, and it's not because I'm homophobic in any way, shape or form. I see nothing wrong with choosing who you want to be with. What I disagree with is choosing a CHILDREN'S place to make a public display. I don't have pictures of me hugging and kissing my boyfriend all over the internet, so I don't see why you need to either. Whether it's biological or just a life decision, you know that your choice is one that makes a lot of people uncomfortable to see. While you may say "screw them," you're being selfish when it comes to children. They're at a very vulnerable age where they don't understand things like that. I would never make out with my boyfriend some place where I knew little children would be. I know someone who's gay and whenever he's home you'd NEVER know it. He never talks about it, never calls anyone his "boyfriend" and would never kiss or hug a man in front of his family. That's the way it should be. No one should need to announce or show off their sexual preference. Neither of us goes around announcing we're straight or making a production of our rights, so I don't know why so many gay people feel the need to have gay pride or march in a parade. It's not something I can understand, as a straight person I'd never flaunt it, and if I did I'd be considered homophobic. Are you heterophobic? I think if you did things quietly and blended into society instead of trying to stand out and show you're proud of being gay, people would be more accepting of things, but you force people into trying to understand something that they can't see as natural. I'm going to get a million replies from people flying off the handle and I couldn't care less. I have absolutely no hate in my heart. My opinion is my constitutional right, just as much as yours. And if you'd stop for a minute and think outside your defenses, you'd understand what I'm saying.

As a member of the DIS, this post really got my ire up. Not sure why you would want to post this thought on the gay/lesbian board to begin with but whether we like it or not, you are entitled to your opinion.

Nevertheless, I think your post should stay exactly as it is just to show everyone what some people are like out there. We all have to remind ourselves sometimes that, although we do live in a more enlightened age, there are still folks out there with abject hatred and disgust.

Thanks for reminding me that I, we, have a lot more work ahead of us. Because it's posts like yours that will continue to instill the intense desire to fight back against the small minded and biased.

We all need a wake up call from time to time.

pjpoohbear
02-13-2006, 01:55 PM
What if women had just blended in and got along? We would not have the vote, or the right to hold property, we would not have the right to divorce agianst the wishes of our family, or husband. In Canada, we would not even be seen as "persons" under the laws of the land. Blending in has never gotten anything that is wrong changed.

Sticking our heads in the sand, like an ostrich, is the laziest and most pathatic thing we could do as members of society.

While I am not "gay", I have many friends who are, and I hate that they can not enjoy the same basic, societial rights as others. What have they done to hurt anyone else around them? We as a society only take away rights for punishment, why this from loving couples who are committed to one another.

PJ

Chuck S
02-13-2006, 02:10 PM
I'm always amazed that it the very people who enjoy the rights of marriage, and all the legal rights that go with it, consider it "super-rights" if they apply to same-sex couples. Do they consider them "super-rights" when they apply to hetero couples?

Mama Twinkles
02-13-2006, 03:47 PM
I suspect "Sarah Elizabeth" is a troll, here to incite defensive responses, perhaps as a shill from an extreme right-wing organization. "She" has only 5 posts. Equally likely, she's a long-time poster choosing a different name so as not to be associated with "her" own homophobic remarks, which are not worth responding to anyway (IMHO). I believe "she" is violating the terms of service in either event.

FutureAshleyDukes
02-13-2006, 06:15 PM
Well here is proff of what we all face everyday.

"joeyrulesall says:

I read all the new posts not by section , just by clicking new posts. I dont
care what he does privatley im just sickened that he has to pick a childrens
theme park to marry a man. I believe in protecting children from sick things ,
not stirring!"

Atleast the mods over on the wedding board cleared it up. It just makes me sick. Atleast we have friends on the other boards looking out for us!

It's sad that a small minded person like this has all the "right" in the world to get married, but a man who has been committed to his partner of 7 years doesn't. :sad2:

SeattleRedBear
02-13-2006, 06:51 PM
I suspect "Sarah Elizabeth" is a troll, here to incite defensive responses, perhaps as a shill from an extreme right-wing organization. "She" has only 5 posts. Equally likely, she's a long-time poster choosing a different name so as not to be associated with "her" own homophobic remarks, which are not worth responding to anyway (IMHO). I believe "she" is violating the terms of service in either event.
Please people! A little bit of investigation uncovers the conspiracy. :idea:

Sarah Elizabeth is joeyrulesall's girlfriend (they reference each other in their small number of messages on the list). They both joined in August 2005 prior to their trip on Aug. 22nd-28th. I don't know enough about the typical behavior of a troll to know whether one would hold onto two accounts for six months just to flame (including making up a story about a trip), but I'm guessing it's a case of coordinated effort in terms of posting. A little disingenious on the part of Sarah Elizabeth to not state that the poster on the other thread is allegedly her boyfriend.

However, this is all strictly guesswork. :confused3: I assume the mods will sort it out. Where's Kathy Griffin when I need her?!

Mama Twinkles
02-13-2006, 08:29 PM
Ah, a trolie a deux. Ratio of mentions of heterosexual orientation to number of messages is quite high. This calls for some compassion.

Viki
02-13-2006, 09:26 PM
However, this is all strictly guesswork. :confused3: I assume the mods will sort it out. Where's Kathy Griffin when I need her?!

LOL!!! Well, I'm going to need step by step instructions from the Master (bow, bow) to sort any of it out!

Sarah_Elizabeth
02-15-2006, 12:13 PM
Please people! A little bit of investigation uncovers the conspiracy. :idea:

Sarah Elizabeth is joeyrulesall's girlfriend (they reference each other in their small number of messages on the list). They both joined in August 2005 prior to their trip on Aug. 22nd-28th. I don't know enough about the typical behavior of a troll to know whether one would hold onto two accounts for six months just to flame (including making up a story about a trip), but I'm guessing it's a case of coordinated effort in terms of posting. A little disingenious on the part of Sarah Elizabeth to not state that the poster on the other thread is allegedly her boyfriend.

However, this is all strictly guesswork. :confused3: I assume the mods will sort it out. Where's Kathy Griffin when I need her?!



[b]Very good, detective. :banana: Joe is my boyfriend, and we actually have arguments over this because of our differing opinions on homosexuality. I don't see it as altogether wrong, so my reply in his defense was strictly in the context I stated; on marriage in Disneyworld and nothing more. :rolleyes2

sajetto
02-15-2006, 01:16 PM
Please people! A little bit of investigation uncovers the conspiracy. :idea:

Sarah Elizabeth is joeyrulesall's girlfriend (they reference each other in their small number of messages on the list). They both joined in August 2005 prior to their trip on Aug. 22nd-28th. I don't know enough about the typical behavior of a troll to know whether one would hold onto two accounts for six months just to flame (including making up a story about a trip), but I'm guessing it's a case of coordinated effort in terms of posting. A little disingenious on the part of Sarah Elizabeth to not state that the poster on the other thread is allegedly her boyfriend.

However, this is all strictly guesswork. :confused3: I assume the mods will sort it out. Where's Kathy Griffin when I need her?!


Yes, very good guesswork but, don't you think that instead of being boyfriend and girlfriend this is the same person. Considering that both identies have an extremely limited number of posts :confused3
I actually ran into the so called Joey on the weddings board, the thread that was erased when he made the comments about gay marriage in a children's park. I still think this is one person looking for trouble :stir: :stir:
I think its best to ignore

FionaLovesShrek
02-15-2006, 02:17 PM
Actually, I agree with him, and it's not because I'm homophobic in any way, shape or form. I see nothing wrong with choosing who you want to be with. What I disagree with is choosing a CHILDREN'S place to make a public display. I don't have pictures of me hugging and kissing my boyfriend all over the internet, so I don't see why you need to either. Whether it's biological or just a life decision, you know that your choice is one that makes a lot of people uncomfortable to see. While you may say "screw them," you're being selfish when it comes to children. They're at a very vulnerable age where they don't understand things like that. I would never make out with my boyfriend some place where I knew little children would be. I know someone who's gay and whenever he's home you'd NEVER know it. He never talks about it, never calls anyone his "boyfriend" and would never kiss or hug a man in front of his family. That's the way it should be. No one should need to announce or show off their sexual preference. Neither of us goes around announcing we're straight or making a production of our rights, so I don't know why so many gay people feel the need to have gay pride or march in a parade. It's not something I can understand, as a straight person I'd never flaunt it, and if I did I'd be considered homophobic. Are you heterophobic? I think if you did things quietly and blended into society instead of trying to stand out and show you're proud of being gay, people would be more accepting of things, but you force people into trying to understand something that they can't see as natural. I'm going to get a million replies from people flying off the handle and I couldn't care less. I have absolutely no hate in my heart. My opinion is my constitutional right, just as much as yours. And if you'd stop for a minute and think outside your defenses, you'd understand what I'm saying.

This is not usually a topic I would comment on, and while everyone has the right to give their opinions, I just feel this is so harshly written. WDW is not a children's park exclusively. Walt Disney created an atmosphere for every person to give in to the fantasy of a make believe world. A world where fun abounds and memories are forever engraved on the heart. You make these memories with those you love. Expressing your emotional connection with your special someone is natural when you are in Never Land. I love holding hands with my DH, kissing him tenderly and sharing the magic of WDW with him. Maybe you find it repulsive to see others sharing affection with each other, but this is our special time, our planned for vacation and we are making memories. According to you, I am showing my sexual preference when I do. I find this offensive, so I can only imagine how the OP feels. I am a woman, married to a man and have a DD who I hope grows up to be affectionate and loving. We all need more magical moments in our lives, and it doesn't mean we have to agree with or condone other peoples choices. I prefer sweet red wine, DH likes Irish Cream Liquer. There is too much controversy in the world, so being at WDW is a chance to escape all that and just enjoy yourself. If you see something that makes you uncomfortable, change your view, WDW is a big place.

SeattleRedBear
02-15-2006, 02:20 PM
Yes, very good guesswork but, don't you think that instead of being boyfriend and girlfriend this is the same person. Considering that both identies have an extremely limited number of posts :confused3
I actually ran into the so called Joey on the weddings board, the thread that was erased when he made the comments about gay marriage in a children's park. I still think this is one person looking for trouble :stir: :stir:
I think its best to ignore
I agree this is also a possibility. I have never moderated a forum nor know the patterns that give evidence to a troll. Because there are (unfortunately) so many people in this world (and on these boards) who actually hold those views, it is hard for me to say whether it is one malicious person or several sincere individuals. In any case, my response would most likely be the same. I think the fact that the response in this forum was (and will continue to be) supportive means that if it's someone whose sole purpose is to "bait" us, it will only happen occasionally and will die down pretty quickly.

RickinNYC
02-15-2006, 02:54 PM
Hey guys, we can't all agree with everyone on the topic of gay marriage, let alone where such an event would be appropriate. Let's not get into a "troll" or "not a troll" conversation ok?

MOMOFMNM
02-15-2006, 05:36 PM
Hey guys, we can't all agree with everyone on the topic of gay marriage, let alone where such an event would be appropriate. Let's not get into a "troll" or "not a troll" conversation ok?


can I just interupt the debate here and say how cute you and your partner look in your avatar??? :blush:


that's all...

SeattleRedBear
02-15-2006, 05:36 PM
Hey guys, we can't all agree with everyone on the topic of gay marriage, let alone where such an event would be appropriate. Let's not get into a "troll" or "not a troll" conversation ok?
I'm happy with that. As i mentioned previously, it's really the mod's responsibility and i pretty much take everything at face value unless proven otherwise. last i'll say.

RickinNYC
02-16-2006, 08:24 AM
MomofMNM: Thanks for that nice compliment! Made my day!

SeattleRedBear: Sent you a PM.

Sarah_Elizabeth
02-19-2006, 01:57 PM
Yes, very good guesswork but, don't you think that instead of being boyfriend and girlfriend this is the same person. Considering that both identies have an extremely limited number of posts :confused3
I actually ran into the so called Joey on the weddings board, the thread that was erased when he made the comments about gay marriage in a children's park. I still think this is one person looking for trouble :stir: :stir:
I think its best to ignore

How paranoid. We've been together two years and live together. It's funny you think we're the same person when we have such different views. Thanks for giving us a laugh :rotfl:

Ilovestitch
02-19-2006, 02:10 PM
They used to have a little "vow renewal" ceremony at the Garden Grill and I heard they stopped doing it b/c people complained about same sex couples doing the ceremony. I think that's sad.

And it irks me to no end when people say "but WDW is for the children" :rolleyes: WDW is for EVERYONE- young, old, gay, straight, white, black, purple whoever!

Ilovestitch
02-19-2006, 02:15 PM
I know someone who's gay and whenever he's home you'd NEVER know it. He never talks about it, never calls anyone his "boyfriend" and would never kiss or hug a man in front of his family. That's the way it should be.

I don't think that's the way it should be- I think thats sad. People shouldn't have to hide who they want to be with, life's to short to live like that.

nwdisgal
02-19-2006, 04:28 PM
I stopped reading your post at this point because you surely have forgotten why Walt Disney chose to build Disneyland and started the plans for WDW. Both locations were to be places for FAMILIES, not just CHILDREN, and if one does not let the younger generations develope thier own ideas and identities, then the problems of the past will never go away!

PJ

Yes. I couldn't believe it either. Children largely mirror what they learn at home. If they learn intolerance, then that is what they are going to be when they grow up. Childhood is the best time to teach tolerance and acceptance. Children by nature are actually very compassionate and understanding. It's we adults who teach them to be narrow and judgemental.

It is funny because some of my gay friends have been part of my life so long we just move together seamlessly and I don't even think about how it might appear to someone coming new to the scene. I had my best gay guy pal, Uncle T over when DS was a little tike. Uncle T had been out of town for a while on assignment, so the last time DS had seen him was as an infant. DS had a funny look on his face. Then I realized my DS thought Uncle T was going to take me away from Daddy - i.e who's this new guy in my mom's life?!? I had to explain to him that no, Mommy wasn't going to run away with Uncle T and leave Daddy and all that. Once DS was cool wilth the fact that Uncle wasn't taking Mommy away from Daddy :rotfl: then all the rest of it was a non-issue. Uncle T and DS are good buddies now, and Uncle T of course dotes on DS :teeth: Children can learn the distinction of gay vs. straight and they are really okay with it. :thumbsup2

Disney is a place for all to enjoy. Also, the Gay and Lesbian community has some of the largest per capita dollars to spend on recreation and leisure, in general. It would be very foolish to exclude this group from any travel service, Disney or otherwise.

ECurto
02-19-2006, 06:52 PM
How paranoid. We've been together two years and live together. It's funny you think we're the same person when we have such different views. Thanks for giving us a laugh :rotfl:

Oh here we go again. Glad to see Sarah took time away from the clan to come back and post. :rotfl2:

kaytieeldr
02-20-2006, 01:54 PM
Its a shame that people on both side of the situation (gay and religious/government) cant just come to an agreement on this topic. I personally don’t get why gay people insist on "marriage". Marriage is religious, and i think should be between a man and women.
Okay, I know you don't want a debate, and that's not my intention, but I do disagree with you here.
Marriage is NOT religious, it's civil. Sure, a wedding/marriage ceremony can be religious, but in order to get married you need a government-issued marriage license.
As long as terms like "a marriage of ideas" or "a marriage of flavors" remain in use, marriage simply can NOT be 'restricted' to people of opposite genders.

Actually, I agree with him, and it's not because I'm homophobic in any way,
That's a relief - because I don't understand why anybody would be afraid of homosexuals/homosexuality :)
What I disagree with is choosing a CHILDREN'S place to make a public display.
Disney isn't JUST a childrens place, and few, if any, weddings take place in full view of children or the public.
I know someone who's gay and whenever he's home you'd NEVER know it. He never talks about it, never calls anyone his "boyfriend" and would never kiss or hug a man in front of his family. That's the way it should be. No one should need to announce or show off their sexual preference. Neither of us goes around announcing we're straight or making a production of our rights, so I don't know why so many gay people feel the need to have gay pride or march in a parade.
By appearing in public with your boyfriend and living with him you are, however subtly, 'showing off' your sexual preference. I don't know for sure, but I think gay people who do feel the need to advocate for gay pride or march in parades do so to make public the need for EQUAL treatment. If the Sufragettes didn't do that on behalf of women a century ago, we'd all still be second-class citizens with few rights, unable to even vote.

lookingforward
02-24-2006, 03:18 AM
Came to this post because we are meeting one of my best friends at WDW and she just happens to be a lesbian (just broke up with her longtime love...looking to CHEER her up). Anyway, since I live in Florida and feel that it's laws are horribly discriminating...I have to voice my opinion.

I was not surprised to learn that WDW does not allow same sex unions. Not surprised but terribly dissapointed. What a shame and a bit two faced. They offer gay days but won't go the extra step and allow people to express their love in a more formal way.

And as for the posts saying that people should not "announce" their sexuality...well don't heterosexual couples do this every day. I don't think twicce about kissing my husband, holding hands, talking about him at work, etc. Why should anyone? Love is meant to be expressed.

My daughter and I were in line at a local bagel shop and two women in front of us started to kiss. It was nothing more or less than a man and women would do. My daughter (age 7) asked why two girls were kissing and I told her that they loved each other like moms and dads love each other. She said "oh...now I get it!" It was so simple and sweet.

RickinNYC
02-24-2006, 07:56 AM
Came to this post because we are meeting one of my best friends at WDW and she just happens to be a lesbian (just broke up with her longtime love...looking to CHEER her up). Anyway, since I live in Florida and feel that it's laws are horribly discriminating...I have to voice my opinion.

I was not surprised to learn that WDW does not allow same sex unions. Not surprised but terribly dissapointed. What a shame and a bit two faced. They offer gay days but won't go the extra step and allow people to express their love in a more formal way.

And as for the posts saying that people should not "announce" their sexuality...well don't heterosexual couples do this every day. I don't think twicce about kissing my husband, holding hands, talking about him at work, etc. Why should anyone? Love is meant to be expressed.

My daughter and I were in line at a local bagel shop and two women in front of us started to kiss. It was nothing more or less than a man and women would do. My daughter (age 7) asked why two girls were kissing and I told her that they loved each other like moms and dads love each other. She said "oh...now I get it!" It was so simple and sweet.

Actually, from what I understand, WDW did send out a CM memo (someone can correct me if I'm wrong but a CM friend told me about this) stating that they would soon allow commitment ceremonies. So that's the good news! Fingers crossed!

A couple of years back, my partner and I were looking to do something and were in the planning process. So I called WDW and did speak with a few different folks at Disney about allowing same sex ceremonies (non-religious, not legally binding) on their premises and I was told by one and all that it wasn't possible. From what I was told, this was because FL state law did not allow it so Disney had to abide by it. Made sense to me because Disney, the corporation, has been extremely accomodating and protective of it's gay/lesbian guests and cast members.

By the by, Disney does not sanction Gay Days. It's an independent effort started by one gentleman many years ago that has grown over time. Disney's only stance on this is, when someone complains, that WDW is for guests and families of all types.

lookingforward
02-24-2006, 05:36 PM
Actually, from what I understand, WDW did send out a CM memo (someone can correct me if I'm wrong but a CM friend told me about this) stating that they would soon allow commitment ceremonies. So that's the good news! Fingers crossed!

A couple of years back, my partner and I were looking to do something and were in the planning process. So I called WDW and did speak with a few different folks at Disney about allowing same sex ceremonies (non-religious, not legally binding) on their premises and I was told by one and all that it wasn't possible. From what I was told, this was because FL state law did not allow it so Disney had to abide by it. Made sense to me because Disney, the corporation, has been extremely accomodating and protective of it's gay/lesbian guests and cast members.

By the by, Disney does not sanction Gay Days. It's an independent effort started by one gentleman many years ago that has grown over time. Disney's only stance on this is, when someone complains, that WDW is for guests and families of all types.

Thanks for the info! I never knew that Gay Days was not an offiicial celebration. I can't imagine how Florida could stop people from celebrating thier lives together....but I don't doubt that they will try! I find it painful to live in a state that won't allow lesbian and gay couples to adopt. Yet it is a state that allows them to foster care a child for 15 years. As a social worker I am horrified by that, love is love. How sad , in my opinion.

D,L and K's Mom
02-26-2006, 02:17 PM
Ahhhhh weddings I love them!! Weddings, re-hitching ceremonies, commitment ceremonies etc...I LOVE THEM!!!!!
I have no problems explaining to my children why 2 men or 2 women are holding hands or kissing. They love each other. That's it. That is the answer. Simple and beautiful. They love each other. I have never seen 2 men or 2 women "mauling" each other in the parks. I don't think I have seen a man and a women "mauling" each other in the parks either. I have seen teenagers in the parks doing this. That, I have a problem with because I have to hear "eeewwww that is gross" from the kids. Kissing anyone kissing is GROSS. I am sure that will be changing fast as they get older.
I just don't understand it..you are in a beautiful place, you are probably with your family, you are with people you love, you are happy, you are excited so you kiss the person you love....who the heck cares. I know I don't. I have no problem with it. I don't care if you are 2 men, 2 women, I don't care if you are purple, green or blue . I don't have time ...... I have to go get in line for Dumbo ;) hee hee. As long as you are not stopping on Main Street and causing a traffic jam go ahead and kiss, hold hands. Show the person you are with that you are happy they are there with you. Show them you love them. This world needs more love. If it bothers you don't look, walk away go in the other direction. for goodness sake run if you have to but don't pass judgement.
If you see a Wedding taking place and you don't like what you see, stop watching. If you continue to watch a traditional wedding remember you may just have to explain to your children about divorce, spousal abuse etc. Ok I know I am being terrible but really now do you think that Disney allowing same sex unions is going to mean that people are standing there announcing their orientation to the whole park?? I know that if you see 2 men standing there happy declaring their love for one another you probably can figure it out but I doubt if your young children can. I don't think they are going to be screaming their vows out on Main Street. That is just absurd. If your children ask, explain it to them. Use any words you are comfortable with. It is a great time do explain about different people.
I have been to WDW many times and I think I have only seen one wedding . We have seen brides and grooms but not the ceremony. I am pretty sure these are all done in private. I think Disney should consider allowing some kind of cememony for same sex couples. I would love to see it.
Ok so I can explain to my kids about LOVE but now help me explain WAR and senseless killing???? That is the one I have trouble with........... :scratchin.

barrie
03-02-2006, 12:29 PM
I personally don’t get why gay people insist on "marriage". Marriage is religious, and i think should be between a man and women. What i want is all the same rights, and benefits, which comes out of a legal ceremony. Call it a "union" "ceremony" or "film flam" for all i care. I don’t get why both sides have to be so stubborn.

I'm one of those gay people that feels strongly about wanting the right to "marry". It's not so much that I believe in the institution of marriage, I just believe that I should have the same rights as everyone else.

I'm not willing to settle for a civil union in leiu of the right to marry. I believe everyone, gay and straight, should have the right to choose either. If the church I attend sanctions gay marriage, then my country should recognize it in the same way they recognize every other wedding. If my church does not sanction gay weddings, I am free to choose another church. If I am able to choose a civil union, then my straight friends should have this choice too.

I'm also sick of having to try to figure out what to call my partner, significant other, girlfriend, lover, etc. When my straight friends refer to their husbands and wives, everyone automatically knows what their relationship is to one another. That's one of the benefits of being able to marry. Yes, marriage is a religious ceremony but it has been generalized over the years. Many people that are not particularly religious get "married". I've been to plenty of weddings that didn't have any religious part to them and those couples still consider themselves married. They refer to each other as husband and wife. There is a lot of power in language - and I'm tired of being perceived as 'less than' because I cannot use the same language to describe my loved one.

Those are my reasons for supporting the rights of gays and lesbians to marry. Having said all that, if all was equal, I probably would choose a civil union. But that pretty much is the core of the issue for me - I want the right to choose, same as my straight friends.

Wow - I think this is the longest post I have ever made on the DIS! Barrie

d4est
03-02-2006, 01:17 PM
And you should have that right. Period.

And I know I shouldn't waste energy on this but I just have to comment on this:
What I disagree with is choosing a CHILDREN'S place to make a public display.

I see kids a weddings all the time. Most weddings HAVE KIDS IN THEM! The "public display(s)" (of affection) at a wedding...um, the kiss (dur!), some romantic gazes, that's about it.

I gotta wonder what you think goes on at a gay wedding? :confused3

Elevationist
03-08-2006, 02:57 AM
Actually, from what I understand, WDW did send out a CM memo (someone can correct me if I'm wrong but a CM friend told me about this) stating that they would soon allow commitment ceremonies. So that's the good news! Fingers crossed!
Oh! How wonderful! I really really really REALLY hope and pray that this is true! My partner and I are currently engaged, and are planning our ceremony for late 2007/early 2008, and we both have our hearts absolutely set on having our commitment ceremony at Walt Disney World. Here's to hoping that by that time, WDW will have gotten it's act together with the progressive thinking and began allowing non-legally sactioned same-sex unions.

Otherwise, I'll be looking for a loophole! As one person suggested, going to Mass. or Canada for a marriage certificate, then booking a Vow Renewal... If that doesn't work, by god I'll just rent out a meeting hall or banquet area at one of the resorts! My money is just as good as the next person's, and I don't have to be COMPLETELY truthful regarding to purpose of said "banquet," now do I? :rotfl:

forresttoombs
03-16-2006, 02:56 AM
I just wonder why people are so against some kind of ceremony at the resort between gays?!? aren't these ceremonies somewhat private and or after park closing? who is going to know it is even happening, if they are not in the wedding party?!?!? :confused3

mickeymousemom
03-16-2006, 12:42 PM
Elevationist...I love how you did your pictures in your signature. How did you do that? I also hope things get worked out at WDW and all of you desiring a ceremony in the midst of the Magic can do so!

As far as Sarah Elizabeth goes...people like you make me Soooooo tired. I feel that you're implying that gays are always out and about making out, tongue-ing each other, and who knows what else. That kind of thinking shows your ignorance. I suppose next you'll say that all gay men are out there wearing butt chaps all the time :teeth: . Sorry, but I get so freakin' tired of this kind of thinking. I have yet to see any of this anywhere in Disney. The other day DH and I were eating at Golden Corral and I saw two younger guys holding hands. Good for them! You don't see that very much around here, and I was glad they weren't afraid to show their affection for each other...in a very polite way, mind you! What is the problem with two people..no matter their sex..loving each other and sharing a life? This world has enough hate without the ignorance of homophobic people. I teach my DD's tolerance in every aspect. They are 16, 12, and 2.5. The two older ones think nothing of homosexuality and as my 2yo grows it will be even more of a normal thing for her than it was for the other 2. I want my kids to know that not everyone in this world lives in the midwest in a small town and has a mom and dad and a dog and a cat. I want them to be able to handle any type of society when they go out into the world..and handle it without judgment. I want them to appreciate the differences in all of us. Life is so much better that way. More friends made. More memories too.
I used to a member of another Disney discussion board. I won't get into it, but I am no longer a member there nor do I desire to be. I love DIS because I can be myself(and though I am not a HUGE weirdo, I do tend to be my own person :crazy: )...judgment doesn't reign supreme here as it does other places ;) . I am just a pretty normal human being who loves Disney and wants a place to congregate with other Disney lovers. The fact that DIS isn't too above itself to have a forum like this is part of the reason I love it so much. Much more diversity here. Okay...I am horrid at going on and on in my posts, so off my soap box now. Just wanted to post my opinion...thanks for listening! :goodvibes

Kevin&Randall
03-16-2006, 07:09 PM
I have not read this post for some time, so I had to wade through three pages of commentary. And while I was doing all this reading something occurred to me. Many people are upset at the thought of a same-sex couple getting married at Walt Disney World. But why?

In all my years of going to Disney I have seen many wedding parties walking around the Grand Floridian and Yacht Club. I've seen groups of men in tuxedos. I"ve seen groups of women in fancy dresses. Sometimes I've even seen these groups mixed together. But the one thing I have never, ever seen is the actual ceremony. Why? It's none of my business. The wedding ceremony is private and open to only those who are invited to observe. A wedding at Disney is never broadcast on TV, in the parks, as background noise or anything like that.

So why do people get up in arms over this? Unless you are invited, you'll never actually see the two men (or women) standing together or seeing them kiss at the end of the ceremony. If you see two men (or women) out being photographed, why immediately assume they are gay? I have dozens of pictures of my straight brother and myself from his wedding where I was his best man. It was just the two of us. No one ever implied anything about anyones sexuality.

As far as the "Disney is for children" excuse, I would encourage them to look around. Take a good, long, hard look. There are as many adult groups as there are groups of adults / children. We love going to Disney and enjoy the atmosphere, fun and magic in the theme parks. Kevin and I probably won't have a commitement ceremony anytime soon, but doing it at Disney would be fun. But it would also be for those we invite, and not broadcast on TV screens throughout Epcot.

Just my two cents worth.

Randall

:rainbow:

bffkitty
03-16-2006, 08:04 PM
Actually, I agree with him, and it's not because I'm homophobic in any way, shape or form. I see nothing wrong with choosing who you want to be with. What I disagree with is choosing a CHILDREN'S place to make a public display. I don't have pictures of me hugging and kissing my boyfriend all over the internet, so I don't see why you need to either. Whether it's biological or just a life decision, you know that your choice is one that makes a lot of people uncomfortable to see. While you may say "screw them," you're being selfish when it comes to children. They're at a very vulnerable age where they don't understand things like that. I would never make out with my boyfriend some place where I knew little children would be. I know someone who's gay and whenever he's home you'd NEVER know it. He never talks about it, never calls anyone his "boyfriend" and would never kiss or hug a man in front of his family. That's the way it should be. No one should need to announce or show off their sexual preference. Neither of us goes around announcing we're straight or making a production of our rights, so I don't know why so many gay people feel the need to have gay pride or march in a parade. It's not something I can understand, as a straight person I'd never flaunt it, and if I did I'd be considered homophobic. Are you heterophobic? I think if you did things quietly and blended into society instead of trying to stand out and show you're proud of being gay, people would be more accepting of things, but you force people into trying to understand something that they can't see as natural. I'm going to get a million replies from people flying off the handle and I couldn't care less. I have absolutely no hate in my heart. My opinion is my constitutional right, just as much as yours. And if you'd stop for a minute and think outside your defenses, you'd understand what I'm saying.
Okay, just so you know, this is coming from a person that some may consider a "child"...

I partially agree with the remark about gay and bisexual people flaunting their lovers and such...
But I don't like explaining, so forget that.

"They're at a very vulnerable age where they don't understand things like that."
Children don't understand a lot of things...
They shouldn't be sheltered completely from the world, or they won't be and might never be used to it.

Viki
03-16-2006, 08:15 PM
Actually, I agree with him, and it's not because I'm homophobic in any way, shape or form. I see nothing wrong with choosing who you want to be with. What I disagree with is choosing a CHILDREN'S place to make a public display. .

Dear you are way off base. My two children have seen their mother's being affectionate towards each other for 16 and 17 years and they are two of the most awesome children - about to be adults - on the planet. Clearly, it's not the affection, per se, which is the problem, is it?

bffkitty
03-16-2006, 08:26 PM
I just don't like how that in the first place everyone thinks that not being straight is unnatural... Whether you're homophobic or homoplilic.
For example, people being overly gernerous and polite to people that are new to the area, three feet tall, or wear back braces, etc...
They just think they're so~ nice...

mickeymousemom
03-16-2006, 09:31 PM
I just don't like how that in the first place everyone thinks that not being straight is unnatural... Whether you're homophobic or homoplilic.
For example, people being overly gernerous and polite to people that are new to the area, three feet tall, or wear back braces, etc...
They just think they're so~ nice...


Well, lemme see...I think being WHO YOU WERE MEANT TO BE is what's natural. I don't believe people CHOOSE to be gay. I think something happens when the fetus is developing that causes it(just as it caused me to be attracted to men)....so, it's natural for that human to be that way. What is NOT natural is pretending to be someone you aren't, making yourself extremely unhappy for the rest of your life. Yeah, yeah...you could say that sexually men and women were made to "BE" together. Well, physically maybe. But when something changes in the womb to allow that person to be attracted to ONLY members of the same sex, well, then...that changes things a little doesn't it?? Having a relationship with someone you love doesn't just have to do with sex. Whether it be your preference or your gender. It means you are attracted to that person, you make each other happy...you'd jump in front of a Mack truck for them(that might hurt though :goodvibes ). It means committing the rest of your life to someone you LOVE. THAT, my dear, is NATURAL.

As for the being extra polite thing....I am no more polite to a little person, a handicapped person, or a person of a different race than I am of someone who looks like me. We are all the same. If I'm in WalMart and I pass someone the right way and make eye contact then I usually smile at them..but not because they are in a wheelchair, or black, or because its two men holding hands. I'd do it if it was one 5'8 avg. looking female. Who cares?? That's the way we all should be. It's the way I was raised.


ETA: Okay..did I misunderstand the above post?? Oh well....I voiced my thoughts...its late and I'm frazzled! :teeth: Sorry if I misunderstood...

Elevationist
03-20-2006, 05:10 PM
Elevationist...I love how you did your pictures in your signature. How did you do that? I also hope things get worked out at WDW and all of you desiring a ceremony in the midst of the Magic can do so!
Thanks! We're keeping our hopes up, too! :love:

As for my signature, I just made it using Adobe Photoshop . I'm fairly decent with the program, so I decided to try making a sort of photo collage using some of my favorite pictures from our Jan. 2005 trip. :p I've been intending to make a new version of it, using pictures from our most recent WDW journey in Feb. 2006, but haven't had the time... So I'll just file that away under "Coming Soon!" ;)